Prime julio cesar chavez vs manny pacquiao?

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  1. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you shout really loud, that makes you correct. You got the right idea, ******.
     
  2. s23041983

    s23041983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Morales was not shot!! I concede he may not have been at his peak but he was not done as a fighter!
     
  3. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  4. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Please, you've embarrassed yourself enough. :-(

    Out of Morales last 6 fights he only won one. Against Pac, and it was between two of his losses.

    He lost to Zahir Raheem, a damn journeyman, before losing to Pac!

    You know what, I'm wasting my time, you didn't even know Morales lost to Raheem, how the **** would you know if he was prime or not??!! :patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch
     
  5. s23041983

    s23041983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i give up... you win :|:|:| :hi:
     
  6. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Very true, Ive owned the JCC-Haugen fight for years... he really just kept him on his feet, humiliated him then sent his ass packing... this was Chavez at age 30/31 with roughly 85 fights under his belt... still regarded as the best p4p in boxing but not at his peak, he had slowed a lot & relied on patience & punch accuracy at this time.

    Haugen found out in that fight that Tijuana cab drivers were better tune ups than he first thought :rofl.... that was perfect humiliation by IMo one of the top 10 fighters ever caught on video (& best ever Mexican, no doubt)
     
  7. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Currently working on a Chavez highlight, one of the more impressive things you'll find about it is not only his offensive work, but how effective his head movement was as I'm sure you know. Chavez was special, truly.
     
  8. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Another useless addition to ESB it seems :-(
     
  9. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Chavez would be too much for Erik at any weight Im afraid to say.

    Ps. Its Morales... not Morrales :good
     
  10. thanosone

    thanosone Love Your Brother Man Full Member

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    Boxing age>Real age
    Morales had about 15 wars by then.
     
  11. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    This sounds like you are picking Pac over JCC at 140 (unless Ive read wrong) but you posted earlier that you`d pick Chavez at 130, 135 & 140 but Pac at 147.

    Even tho Chavez absolute peak was at 135, specifically the Rosario fight, the man was still very much in the heart of his prime at 140 right up until probably the Camacho fight in 1992.
    I actually regard him as the best ever at 140 lbs just ahead of Pryor... but judging by some of these crazy posts it seems as if people think that Chavez was done at this weight & not any good like he was at 147 :huh

    The man had something like 14 title defences at LWW for **** sake & added some very good fighters to his record.

    Chavez at LWW from Roger Mayweather in 89 right up to Hector Camacho in 92 was an astonishing fighter.... I truly believe that a lot of these Pac fans that think Pac wins easy at 140 have never even seen Chavez at this weight. He was a force.
     
  12. PunchOut

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    Exactly, i cant understand when people say "Chavez at 130,135 and Pac at 140 and 147" ....

    Pac only has 1 fight at the weight and JCC is the best 140 ever ... for **** sake!!!!!!!!

    147 JCC ... well, im sure that JCC could easily win the belt if whitaker dont be on the cake ... Pea style is the nemesis for him... but we are talking about PEA .. and Pac style is far away from Pea ...
    still that fight was close for me .. not the one sided schooling that all gringos wanna believe
     
  13. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When he fought as a super featherweight he was real impressive too bad most people have not seen these fights. he gets credit for being the King of 140 but he was dominant from from super feather to junior welter. Chavez had a very long prime fighting a style that usually shortens careers.
     
  14. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It seems that people like to argue effectiveness and aggression or ring generalship when it suits them.
     
  15. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    The highlighted is proof of just how good Chavez' defense was.......

    People stereotype Chavez as being the typical comefoward take 3 or four punches to get off his one.
    I've often heard even boxing journalist say that about Chavez...."He took 3 shots to get off his one.":patsch

    That just could not be further from the truth.
    Chavez was not a Mayorga or Margarito type, the type of fighter that could get to you with pure pressure and volume.

    When Chavez came foward, he was doing so to get into punching position. He came foward to purposely put you into a situation where you're punching at him.....
    ...."ok, let me see now, let me see what you got....
    ....that punch is coming at me with some leverage, let me slip and duck underneath it.....

    ....."oh, those jabs coming at me, let me knock those off course by parrying them with my gloves....
    ....then Chavez is thinking is, "I'll shoot my right hand over his jab, and I'm just waiting for him to shoot off his right hand so I can slip it and crush a left hook to his side."

    Everything was just so instamatic and systematic in the way he operated. It just seemed so effortless.

    Its said of the great quarterbacks that they have an ability to see the entire field, and its what makes them great.

    Mayweather Jr. has talked about the same thing.....he say's he can see and anticipate everything thats coming at him......I believe Mayweather, but how impressive is it of Chavez that he can stay in the pocket and even come foward as the punches fly around and over him???

    I loved how Ferdie Pacheco the analyst then at Showtime described Chavez the fighter.
    "Chavez just gets right into the eye of the storm, punches flying everywhere. How does he not get hit?"
    ......then they would show a replay clip of Chavez doing just that, in the eye of the storm with his eyes wide open anticipating what about to come at him, and gearing to make him pay......

    Then Pacheco would say, "that is why Chavez is so great. Look at that, he doe'snt flinch and he does'nt retreat."
    .....then Pacheco would say something like, "I've seen others do it, but no one quite the way Chavez does it."


    To the uneducated eye, it just seems like Chavez was in your face and willing to absorb punishment.....but then you saw the replays at slow motion and the picture that Ferdie Pacheco painted all came into focus.