"Conn makes more mistakes in a minute than Ramage in a whole fight".

Thanks. Interesting piece which as a Louis fan I appreciate immensly :good

 

A thought comes to mind....Ia Ali had most troubles with smaller men such asSonny Banks, Dou Jones, Enry Cooper,Ken Norton ,Jimmy Young etc...If JOe Louis had his toughest fights with Scmeling,Bob Pastor,Tommy Farr, Billy Conn, Ezzard Charles, yes Rocky Marciano,etc....If Jack Dempsey had his woes with Tommy Gibbons,Bill Brennan, Gene Tunney of course,etc....I then pose this question....Why the obsession of modern fans, with the tired old bromide,that todays heavyweights,are too big ,for the 190-200pound great heavies of yesterday?. History proves otherwise...For example Jack Dempsey And Joe Louis in their primes were as 190 to 200 pounders ,just as powerful,hit faster ,and easily as hard as their bloated and muscle bound, sons of today...I cite this as an example....If Ali fighting the big George Forman in Zaire, tried the rope-a-dope on a Prime[ ala Max Baer ]Joe Louis, Louis would have murdered Ali,against the ropes... The difference, prime Louis seldom expended energy on wasted and missed wild blows...He was just as powerful a puncher at the end of a 15 round bout as at the beginning...Louis did'nt lug around 20 pounds ofwater and unecessary muscles, and was trained by the old school Chappie Blackburn, to go 15 rounds top speed...If size was paramount then Willard and Carnera,would be all time Heavyweights...Yes , even size ,follows the law of diminishing returns......

 

History has shown as that the bigger champions usually come along when the talent pool at the top is smaller.

To be honest, i dont understand the modern emphasis on strength and power in their training. I mean Wlad for example, might be the hardest hitter on the planet. But so what, there are probably 50 fighters or more who can put Wlad (or any other heavyweight that ever lived) into disney land with one or two clean shots. Actually, there are plenty of light heavys who can do it and possibly even middleweights! The problem though is that the fighter needs to hit without being hit himself! It wasnt until Wlad learned this that he became the worlds best fighter, even though he was more spectacular before this.

Every heavyweight that ever lived always looks and performs better when he is lighter and faster (obviously there are some limits). That is inarguable, yet nearly every fighter nowadays trains predominantly for strength and power. It is very strange to me, but i have to say, you would think that if it was not correct, everyone wouldnt be doing it.

It will create very interesting times if Chambers beats Wlad because he is the only guy i can think of who has apparently abandoned the bigger is better theory. Of course the reality is that I am afraid that Wlad might simply be a better fighter, regardless of training.

Thinking about things though, we may not be too far away from removing the Superheavy obsession. If the Klits were to both retire, there is every single chance that the world heavyweight champion would be unified between Haye (former Cruiser), Adamek (former light heavy), Chambers (smaller fighter) and who knows perhaps even Toney (former middleweight) might get the 4th belt. And thinking about it, Hopkins (former middleweight) could easily be the highest sought after challenger. This would see much smaller world champions than we are currently used to.

 

SlAKKA,,Thanks for your welcome...I have a few 1942 Ring Mags ,back home in NY...When I get home in a few months I will see if I have that Lee Ramage article, by Jack Blackburn...I'll let you know if I do have that edition of the Ring mag....

 

that is one of the best posts i've ever read on here.i had no idea that louis rated ramage so highly.cheers:good

 

I agree 100% Burt.

 

What a load os BS. 'Ali had problems with smaller guys like 'NORTON' 6'3 and 220lbs of ripped to shreds muscle is small?

There just werent big men of the quality of Lennox, Bowe, Vitali and Wlad in the past, that much is fact

 

Norton was 205 when he fought Ali though.

 

but he was ripped.
against foreman he looked small though

 

EXCUSE ME?!!!!!

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