Stanley Ketchel v.s. Jerry Quarry ?

It may not be, I just got it off of boxrec.

This is a very tough one for me. I dont really rate either of them as highly as most people do. I think that both were a step below the best fighter of their day (Ali/Johnson). My only point was that i dont think that Quarry outclasses him just because of his size and neither is without chance in the fight.

I think that Ketchell was one of the best 3 Light heavys/Middleweights of his time and possibly the best. I think that Quarry was not one of the best three heavyweights of his time but he may have been about the tenth best. I think that more often than not, the best light heavyweight in the world will beat the 10th best heavyweight in the world.

If you consider just how young Ketchell was and look at the careers of nearly every other boxer who has ever boxed, it is more than likely that by the end of Ketchell's career, he would have developed into a lightheavyweight and probably a heavyweight, as he got older. I dont believe that he would have necessarilly had a better chance of beating Quarry, just because he got older and went up in weight like say a Jimmy Ellis.

Incidentally, the biggest thing in Quarry's favour is that it doesnt seem that Ketchell's style of fighting was all that suited for a middleweight moving up to heavy as say, a Jimmy Ellis Chris byrds style would be.

 

Wow, terrible post. :-(

Eventually, you make it sound like the Roy Williams/Shavers fight.

So many bombs against Quarry in that two minutes and twenty one seconds of fighting, let me tell you.

 

an understatement if ever i saw one

 

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I think if you rewatch it you will see Shavers lands nothing like the bombs he landed on Norton. Even though Shavers threw big shots every time he threw, he doesn't land anything which could be construed as destructive IMO

Quarry would beat Ketchel, by stoppage probably.

he grant has got some weird agenda. Don't know, it has been proven that SOME fighters had the ability to beat bigger men, he seems to have been offended by this.

 

The same kinda' bomb Shavers landed on Holmes?

Shavers could blast people out no doubt. But he didn't land those kinda' shots on Quarry, that is evident there.

Also, what is your agenda? I really don't know what your point is so not sure whether I disagree.

I just disagreed with Gentleman Jim that this fight was indicative of how good Quarrys chin was. There are plenty of fights for that, but this one was not so. More of an indication of how styrong Quarry was and how durable Shavers wasn't IMO:good

 

I dont see people on this board really doing that at all. I think you're imagining things a bit. If anyone has a hang-up about Marciano needing to be treated overly uniquely then it appears to be you.

In case you missed (or ignored) what I wrote on the Ketchel v. Big Cat Williams thread, on my own position regarding Marciano v. "super" or "massive" heavyweights, this is about as beat as I can do :

I certainly dont consider Rocky to exist on a plane seperate from other fighters.
There have been aggressive come-forward fighters who've gone in against far bigger and strong-punching fighters (giving away upwards of 30 and 40 pounds) so I dont feel like I'm living in some sort of fantasyland to credit Rocky with the ability to do so, against certain fighters. Bruno happens to be one that I'd expect to succumb to Rocky's style and aggression.

I believe Bruno would be a hurtful and serious assignment for the Rock, it wouldn't all be plain sailing, but the overall look of the fight I think it would be fairly one-sided mauling in Rocky's favour. Whether that should be described as an "easy" or a "tough" fight is a matter of semantics.
I've given enough in-depth analysis and reasons to back up my opinion, and it is just an opinion. But I'm quite confident i know what I'm talking about with these two particular fighters.

If you said Marciano v. Lewis, Foreman, Liston, Ruddock ? I'd give four totally different breakdowns again. I'm not just saying "Rocky was great ! Size be damned !" ...... I've explained it more deeply. I hope.

 

I'll take your word for it (on the long running theme). But I think you're looking a little bit too hard for it.
Your position doesn't strike me as neutral. But that's cool, it's all subjective, opinions and outlooks will differ.

Ruddock had great heart and the ability to pick himself off the deck and come firing back on all cylinders. Technically and strategically he fought a bit stupid from '89 onwards (neglected his jab, neglected defence often) and he wasn't unstoppable.
I wouldn't bet on the fight, but I have no problem seeing Ruddock as a slight favourite. I wouldn't be surprised if he won by a clean KO or by decision.

 

Ohhhh, so it's Marciano you have a problem with.

 

Great thread since I love both of these guys. These are two of the toughest *******s to ever lace 'em up. Remember that Ketchel would regularly challenge AND BEAT HW's of his era. I say this because most people will view Quarry's size/weight advantage as decisive and pick him without a thought.

In reality it would be decisive against almost any other middleweight in history except Ketchel because of his inherent lack of respect for anyone and his utter fearlessness. With that said his style is tailor-made for Quarry's ruggid counterpunching. I believe this would ultimately be a much more competitive fight than people think depite the size difference and styles involved but I do believe that Quarry would take Ketchel out in the 5th or 6th after taking a beating himself. GREAT FIGHT AND GREAT THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb

 

Quarry was a heavyweight puncher dispite his size, Quarry beat big men...Stanley was rugged and would be Fire for any Middleweight but Quarry was too strong

 

I don't think that Mr Quarry is necesarily your aly in this argument.

Isn't he perhaps the proof that a smaller offensive heavyweight can take apart an elite bigger offensive heavyweight?

Thinking of the Lyle and Shavers fights.