Let' consider Vlad and Vitali agianst the all-time HW greats more fairly...

Probably not.
The Klits are the absolute epidome of modern fitness and nutrition, which is why they are so utterly dominate in todays division, and in my opinion would be just as dominate in other eras, if they enjoyed the benefits of 21th century fitness and nutrition. But if athletes like Ali had the same advances, they would be that much better, which would slightly even the playing field. (Maybe not Foreman, he simply wasnt that smart...).
All things being equal, though, the Klits would still be very good because they have excellent work ethics, and they are very smart men in the ring.

 

Traning doesn't mean a huge amount.

Put it this way; older fighters had smaller gloves. If Wlad had to fight regularly in say, the 20's, with his training methods against theirs, who thinks he'd be dominant? He'd get starched more often than not IMO.

Vitali is good but couldn't beat the Lewis that lost to Rahman (unfocused, out of shape) dead in the middle of his prime.

 

Wouldn't those smaller gloves also improve Wlad's power?? The current version of Wlad is difficult to hit and with 1930's gloves would have more devastating and earlier knockouts.

 

Great point. He would absolutely devistate someone like Marciano

 

They also make perfect punching form different. And in an era where rough housing is allowed how is he going to maintain range and land his bombs? I personally think he'd get slaughtered.

Vitali would be better suited, but with his list of injuries how will his body hold up for 80+ pro fights?

 

I think we both know, eliminating weight classes, Pavlik messes up both K brothers. And Ali. So, you know how I'm voting.

 

alot of those fighter minus a few would be fighting at Cruiserweight. Imagine Ali at 230-235? yeah he'd be alot slower. and you can bring up the chris bird fight with Vitaly but we all know Bird was losing that fight. got the W though. as far as wlad. i t depends wich version. the younger wlad would have a harder time the recent one well he does fairly well

 

I think the Klitschko's would dominate pre 70s. Neither of them take many flush shots, and both hit so hard that smaller gloves would work in their favour. Even if they aren't p4p better than Marciano and Louis, the size difference is too much for them to overcome. Realistically we're talking about different weight classes here

As for conditioning, don't forget they are from the former Soviet Union- so I think it woud be fair to say they'd still be better conditioned than their US counterparts.

By the 70s though, its a lot harder to say how they'd do.

 

Yeah, because the size of Carnera was real hard for Louis to overcome:huh

 

yeah because carnera was comparable to either klitschko in terms of skill

 

Yea and Louis would beat Valuev and Jameel McCline aswell. Doesn't mean he would beat a Klitschko

 

The Klit's have co-ordination that Carnera could only dream of having.

I still think Ali beats the Klits, as would Holmes, Louis, Frazier and Holyfield.

The reach and height of the Klits, might be too much for Marciano and Dempsey though, but who knows.

 

As always, Carnera getting underrated.

Watch some of his fights. The Klits are champs now because of the numerous title belts and poor division.

In an era with one title, how would the Klits dominate? How would they handle regular fights? Smaller goves?

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