Marciano of Walcott v.s. Ruddock of Tyson ?

dave jako beat ruddock and he was no great shakes. Marciano beat a ton of dave jakos. also how good was dokes when ruddock beat him? dokes was kayoed by coetzee. is ruddocks stature enhanced by tysons decline? I think so. Did ruddock take out a live contender? against lewis rudock didnt show much resistance.

 

I don't see this one going to the scorecards. Rocky would stop Razor in about 8 rounds or less, in my opinion.

 

You make some good points. Even though some of those statements don't necessarily tell the whole story behind them, They do have some validity.

 

Once fighters the level of Ruddock are being favors to beat Marciano, than Rocky gets underated imo.

 

Ruddock had an asthma attack and ended up in the hospital for it.

 

Have you seen the fight ?

 

A lot of this can be laid at George Foremans door.

His destruction of Joe Frazier is so engrained on peoples psyche that they instinctively pick any big puncher over a smaller swarmer.

What people fail to observe is that fighters like Marciano and Frazier have a prety failsafe style. Neither of them ever lost to an opponent who was not a top 10 all time heavyweight. Johnson did, Dempsey did, Louis did, Ali did, Holmes did, Lewis did.

While the great swarmers will struggle with some styles the bar is set verry high qualatativley for finding sombody who will beat them irrespective of style.

 

I find it hard to pick for Rocky in h2h match-ups - but only when he's matched against the very best.

Ruddock would get scrambled. Going toe-to-toe with Tyson earned him a lot of respect and also brought him success in that fight. But Marciano will be very comfortable with this kind of fight. Marciano will stop him in a very messy conclusion.

 

That's true to some extent, but in all honesty, neither of them faced very many large punchers, and particularly not ones who could hit hard with both hands. Frazier may very well be the only one of the two who did so, and the outcome speaks for itself. It should also be noted that both of them were decked by men of a lesser calibur when it comes to world class punching ability. Frazier was dropped twice by Bonavena. Marciano was decked by Walcott along with an aging light heavy in Archie Moore. While I don't necessarily guarantee that men like Ruddock, Bruno, Smith, Cooney etc.. Would have the same or better success against those two, its not beyond the realm of possibility that they might prove to be potentially problematic in one way or another.

 

I seen Rudduck lose the big ones. I was impressed with his hook uppercut over Dokes but Walcotts hook/uppercut KO over Charles was my favorite. Also Rudduck did not impress me with his resistance in the Lewis,Tyson, Morrison fights and the inside is that he quit vs Jaco and really lost to 185lb Phil Brown in a draw...I like Rudduck he was exciting but hardly a great or close, too many flaws

 

I'm starting to think I was wrong to give Ruddock the edge.
I dont think Ruddock was flakey like Frank Bruno was, but, as others are right to point out, it's a glaring fact that he too managed to lose the biggest fights and never beat a "live" top fighter. I'd make it 50/50 or give Marciano the slight edge. On consideration.

 

It has always been my criticism that Razor never defeated a truly good fighter who was prime.. I saw him fight James Smith in 1989, and I never really knew how bad the circumstances of that match for Smith was, until I checked years later. He was 36 years old and off for a full year.. He hadn't won a fight in some 3 years and showed up 20 pounds over his best weight.. He had also apparently taken the match on just weeks notice.. All this, yet he managed to deck Ruddock with a single shot in the second round, which very well could have resulted in a KO... For whatever reason, the media hyped the **** out of this fight, and not long after, Razor was ranked in the top 3 by all sanctioning bodies. Michael Dokes wasn't looking too good either when Ruddock beat him, but I will admit that he was better off than Smith was.. Dokes had been fighting actively, was several years younger than Smith, and Ruddock demolished him with much greater ease. The other names of note that appear on Ruddock's resume were Mike Weaver, Greg Page, Phil jackson and James Broad... Looks good on the surface, but again those guys were basically shot, or in Jackson's case, just not very good to begin with.


Here is the clip from the Smith knockdown.. You can fast forward it to 4:50 to see it.. That was definitely no flash knockdown..Ruddock was hurt. I think a 1986 version of Smith might have finished him,
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFb13F5K8Pw[/ame]

 

Very good point.

 

I am starting to question whether guys like Bruno Ruddock etc necesarily pose the stiffest test to a fighters chin.

In many ways I think that techinical boxers are more prone to drop an opponent or knock them silly than the bangers of the division. Especialy technical boxers with a fair amount of pop.

It may be no coincidence that the only fighters to drop Rocky Marciano and George Foreman were technicians while they both fought a slew of punchers.

Bonavena did drop Frazier but his power might not have been a million miles from that of Ruddock and we could make some alowance for Fraziers inexperience.