Marciano's place in heavyweight history

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  1. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There's been a lot of talk about Mr.Marchegiano on here lately, Where would he be rated in an all time heavyweight list ? I'd rate him about tenth. This topic may have been done before,but what the hell ?
     
  2. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Three.
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    If we're talking legacy, and not head to head, then I think #10 is rather low.. I myself rate him #3 by virtue of his claim to never having lost, clearing out his entire division, and retiring with the highest KO percentage of all time.. We can criticize some of his opposition, but we can also do that to most champions..
     
  4. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    3rd also. In my opinion he is a lock for 3rd, and Ali and Louis are top 2 locks.

    1) Ali
    2) Louis
    3) Marciano
    4) Lewis
    5) Frazier
    6) Holmes
    7) Holyfield
    8) Tyson
    9) Liston
    10) Foreman

    This is my criteria:
    - 40% ability/skill
    - 30% Wins/competative losses over elite competition
    - 20% Physical attributes/toughness
    - 10% adaptability/stylistic range
     
  5. Rubber Warrior

    Rubber Warrior Resident ESB Soothsayer Full Member

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    The important thing about rating fighters relative to history is to have some viable form of criteria. So often I see people rating this fighter or that without laying down the criteria. The rating is one thing, but it's too subjective without guidelines.
     
  6. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    When I thnk about legacy he is 3-5 with Johnson and Holmes. But when it's about his competition it's 7-12
     
  7. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    My recent top 10:

    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Larry Holmes
    4. Lennox Lewis
    5. Jack Johnson
    6. Evander Holyfield
    7. Rocky Marciano
    8. Joe Frazier
    9. Jack Dempsey
    10. Sonny Liston
     
  8. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    The only part of my top 10 that I'm absolutely certain of is:

    1. Ali
    2. Louis
    3. Marciano

    After #3 it gets complicate, and I often switch fighters around from time to time..
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Tenth is about right, imo.
     
  10. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    In the top 5, for certain.
     
  11. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I rate him #3 behind Ali and Louis. Historical rating for me is determined by record against the men of one's own era. Marciano beat the best of his time, all by ko, cleaned out the division and retired undefeated. So I rate him near the top in an historical ranking.
     
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    top 3. no lower than 5.
     
  13. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    This
     
  14. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    as the threads have focused on marciano lately, i've found myself re-evaluating him. ironically for a fighter with no losses, his record does not do him justice nor tell the whole story. the accounts of his fights and viewing the footage we have is necessary to give a feel for his genius. like most, he had his weaknesses but he was one of the best at accentuating his strengths so that his faults were rarely exploited by his opponents. he rose consistently to the level of his opposition and his fitness, physical strength, toughness and tenacity is virtually unmatched in the modern era

    top 5 for me. no higher...yet
     
  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I have him at 6 myself.