Examples of fighters who started out good and became extraordinary

David "The Destroyer" Lopez. Interesting fighter. Went 15W and 10L(8 by KO) in his first 25 fights. From, then, on, 23W-2L(1 by KO). Has won his last 14. Extraordinary.

 

cmon now tho... hype is hype... not saying trini was hype...but he was hyped to win against bhop... bhop was clearly the wrong match up for the dude... i mean he got stunk outa the joint

just like people were saying pavlik was going to behead hopkins.... another person who was hyped beat hopkinds...

i'm not saying these guys were over hyped but they were not as good as advertised....

just like margarito vs shane.... that win is over rated a little bit imo because of the hype mararito had coming off beating cotto.... i knew shane was going to win that fight

 

Alexis Arguello

This a guy by the way who was stopped in the 1st round by some guy you never heard of yet went 14rounds with Aaron Pryor with magic bottle.

 

thats just my opinion... you guy's dont have to agree...

don't care what anyone says but tito & odlh were not built for 160 (or a catchweight of 158...)

 

Nonito Donaire - Went from a decent fighter to a top 10 p4p who many would class as exceptional.

 

You make a good point about hype. The worst thing about hype in the boxing community is nobody is immune to it. Our boxing writers are fanboys with pens and keyboards, basically. And that's no exaggeration.

 

I think BHOP was already a great fighter from the very beginning, it's just that people realized this only after his win over Tito.

 

Your an idiot there is certain permance enhancing drugs that actuall help you learn new skill and techniques like IGF-1) and even so Hgh.

read and educate yourself you biased *******!!! also ariza said he has to wake up pacquiao in the middle of the night to give him a protein shake and what he is really doing is messing up his sleeping patter and his natural hgh production, therefore what he is injecting in him is igf-1 or some designer peptide that needs to be injected at times twice a day along with hgh.

Insulin-like growth factor 1 is a growth factor which is very closely related to insulin. It carries the same amount of amino acids as insulin and responsible for the anabolic reactions to GH. IGF-1 is an important factor in childhood growth and is highly anabolic in adults. It is also known by the brand name Increlex and the generic name mecasermin.
Background
In the 1970's, IGF-1 was known as as "Sulfation Factor" and "Nonsuppressible Insulin-like Activity" (NSILA). In the 1980's, it was known as "Somatomedin C." The most popular type of IGF-1 available on the Black Market is a longer lasting version (more amino acids in length) known as Long R3 Insulin-like Growth Factor-I or Long R3IGF-I. Lr3igf-1 is more potent than the lesser versions which are no longer available on the black market. Of that type of IGF, there are two types commonly available (Media and Receptor grades, respectively). These last two types of IGF mostly just refer to the purity of what is actually in the bottle.
Action
IGF-1 is released in the liver and binds to the IGF receptors within the cells, which ultimately causes a stimulation of cell growth (both causing new tissue formation and existing tissue growth) and an inhibition of cell death. It is a highly anabolic and anti-catabolic compound. For the athlete or bodybuilder, this had many positive effects: increased nitrogen retention and protein synthesis because it is highly anabolic. IGF-1 (in the presence of sufficient protein) actually promotes growth of new muscle cells, which increases the overall number of cells in the muscle.
IGF protects the neurons of the brain as well as promotes growth of new motor neurons, making it more possible to rapidly learn new skills during its use. IGF-1 is also responsible in connective tissue production, improves collagen formation and aids in cartilage repair. Similarly, it affects the bones by aiding in bone production and repair.
Technical Data
In a study done on young adult mice, a compound responsible for increased secretion of IGF-1 in muscle fibers was administered. There was an average increase of 15% in muscle mass and a 14% increase in strength. When the study was then conducted on adult mice, there was a 27% increase in strength in the injected muscles as compared with non-injected muscles. It was also found to prevent aging of the muscles. Muscle mass and muscle fiber growth were similar to the levels found in young adults. These effects are most likely due to the ability of IGF-1 to activate satellite cells, therefore stimulating muscle rejuvenation (1).
In studies conducted where GH and IGF1 were used together, a greater increase of Lean Body Mass and fat reduction was found than by use with each compound alone (2). Researches also believe that use of testosterone would also increase IGF levels in muscle (3). In a 12 week study on subjects using IGF-1, IGF-1+GH, or GH alone subjects in this study, gained around 3kgs of lean mass, and lost around 2kgs of fat(4) .
The complete human IGF-1 Long R3 IGF-1 is 2-3 times more potent than IGF-1 due to less ability to be made inactive by IGF binding proteins (5) (6).
User Notes
I’m actually a very big fan of Lr3 IGF-1. For me, I’ve found that it’s had beneficial effects on helping me recover from training injuries and has shown to be very helpful in improving my strength, speed, and performance. I also noted some pretty enhanced muscle building effects and very enhanced fat burning when I’ve been on IGF…nothing on the level of Anabolic Steroids, but still, the effect was very pronounced.
Most users opt for a dose of about 100mcg/day injected bilaterally in the muscle group just trained, immediately post workout.
I suspect that in the coming years, more and more professional athletes will be using IGF, as it is very difficult to test for, and many have switched over from GH to this compound already.
Anecdotally, IGF seems to stack best with Trenbolone and Testosterone, and there’s certainly some synergy between these compounds. Lately, MGF is being added to most IGF protocols. For a fuller discussion of how has been done, check out my article “

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Pac was a p4pder already at 122 just underrated, but watch Pac at 112 and tell me he was extraordinary.

 

the majority of boxing fans (including writers... even high class writers such as dan rafael) are idiots. Instead of looking at the particular match ups or facts, they let hype determine their decision. The thing about boxing is good fights happen at such a low frequency that it is hard to tell the truth about fighters until after the fights occur ( a way to see noticable & true skill).

Not only that but the majority of fighters just posture themselves to look like the best. They will fight every guy who they have a better chance of beating until they can go no farther and they cash out. Kind of like cotto after mosley cotto was going to lose one way or another. Whether is was to margarito (pending cheating), Paul williams (who I think it is safe to say paul would have slaughterd cotto), Floyd (who i also think it is safe to say floyd would have taken cotto)


etc etc..... there are not to many fighters who will take any challenge put infront of them and we figure out truly how much grit they have or how good they truly are...

thats why guys like tim bradley & paul williams are true treats... They don't take the traditional path of fighting mostly beatable opponents until there are no more beatable opponents. these guys fight the best no matter who or where.

long story short though. I am not sold on bernard hopkins career... sorry

oh and winky wright had no business at 175 or whatever it was they fought at

 

No question. Succinctly put.

 

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Maybe he was very good but i wouldn't say great. He was still a rough diamond when he started. Losing his first professional fight. Then about 23 fights in, losing to RJ. He had to fight from scratch to get to the top. And over the years, he kept polishing and fine tuning his game, further mastering the "sweet science." By the time he got to fighting Tito, he was at the top of his game. The perfect blend of physical talents and the mastery of the sport mentally.

And we all know the great victories he had in his 40's. I would say that's going from good to extraordinary. Who would've thought a guy who just did 5 years in the pennitentary and came out at age 22 would be a legend?

 

examples of peoples hype getting the best of them. Just in the past year or so

mosley>margarito
ward>kessler
froch>taylor
pacquiao>odlh
bute>andrade II
bhop>pavlik

There is probably more out there that I can't even think of right now. If you did the proper research these would have been relatively easy outcomes to predict but since everyone fell victim to the hype they were surprised by the outcome. Surprised to a point that they really shouldnt have been. All because they listened to the hype...

 

Larry Holmes?