1996 - "Tyson Ducked Lewis" ?

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  1. Unforgiven

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    I've heard a lot of people claim Lewis was ducked by Tyson in 1996.
    Citing the $4 million step-aside fee Lewis was paid to allow Tyson to go ahead with a planned match with Seldon instead of defending his WBC title against Lewis.

    What is less discussed is that Lewis turned down $13.5 million guarantee offer to fight Tyson before accepting the $4 million.
    And this was before Lewis faced Ray Mercer. The Mercer fight did not improve Lewis's value or perceived chances against Tyson at that time one iota. If anything his stock fell with that fight.

    Lewis and his true-believers shout a lot about how he was ducked by everyone for years, but how true is it ?
    Why was Lewis turning down massive purse offers if he was so desperate to prove himself the best ?

    I'm not blaming Lewis. Or Tyson. I know they had managers, promoters and the rival TV companies dictating a lot to them.

    But there's definitely some revisionist history going on that makes Lewis the white knight of the heavyweights, an outsider, who everyone refused to fight for years. When really he was as much a pampered superstar fighter as the others - massively built up by HBO and favoured by the WBC, for examples - and part of the problem of avoiding and seeking out easy paydays and pricing himself out with demands for bigger purses.
     
  2. JudgeDredd

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    Didn't know that Lewis turned down $13.5 million, but I do know Don King was eyeing a far more lucrative fight with Holyfield, as it was announced immediately after the Seldon fight. Had Tyson beaten Holyfield maybe they would've taken Lewis next. But yes, Lewis had a habit of avoiding certain fighters then claiming they were ducking him, ala Bowe.
     
  3. Pusnuts

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    Good post :think

    Lewis was only "built up" once he was established champ though, as you would expect.
    Before that considering he was Gold medallist by stopping Bowe you'd think he had the perfect backstory but he didnt get all that much undue attention. I think Bowe and Newman wanted nothing to do with him, I cant point to anything specific but thats what it seemed like at the time
     
  4. Beeston Brawler

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    Lewis was hardly favoured by the WBC.

    Tyson came out of jail and was immediately made mandatory for the title after the joke fight against McNeeley, despite the fact that Lewis had been guaranteed a shot after a series of good wins.

    Tyson vs Bruno was sanctioned by the WBC (no doubt after lots of persuasion from Don King), after which Main Events launched a court battle to force the WBC to make Lewis Tyson's mandatory.

    They won the court battle, Tyson dropped the belt and was forced to pay Lewis $4m in lost earnings as a result - not step aside money.
     
  5. Unforgiven

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    Not a series of good wins. A win over Lionel Butler, who somehow qualified as worthy of being involved in a final eliminator with Lewis.

    True, Tyson was favoured too. As Vitali has been more recently.

    I think Lewis was certainly one of the WBC's favourites.
    And of course he had no complaints when in 2001/2002 Tyson was undeservedly elevated to mandatory so that they could both make huge money.

    Yes, the WBC are crooked, and inconsistent. Still, Lewis did better than most fighters do with the sanctioning bodies.


    No, Tyson still held the belt when he paid Lewis the $4 million.

    This was after Lewis turned down the $13.5 million.
     
  6. Pusnuts

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    Well the WBA must have been King through and through with all that Ruiz/Holyfield crap, I guess since he didnt "own" the WBC anymore
     
  7. Beeston Brawler

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    Lionel Butler was a better opponent than Peter McNeeley or Buster Mathis jr.

    Lewis also defeated Tommy Morrison as well - not that Morrison was any great shakes, but WAY better than the two clowns Tyson defeated put together.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    It's debatable whether or not Butler was a better opponent than Mathis.

    But it's irrelevant because the WBC did call the Butler-Lewis fight a final eliminator. So, they had promised Lewis a shot, in effect. Really he should have got his shot before Bruno. But everyone knows the WBC and the others make it up as they go along.

    Yeah, that's true.
     
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    Any evidence of this 13.5m offer because I was around at the time and remember Tysons handlers didnt want to put their man anywhere near Tyson. The 4million was buying their way out of a contract and Tyson was supposed to face Lewis after Seldon anyway
     
  10. Beeston Brawler

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    It's worth noting that the WBC supervisor that sanctioned Lewis vs Butler as an eliminator was sacked immediately.

    In any case, Jose Sillyman should have ordered an immediate rematch between Lewis & McCall, in light of the controversial circumstances..... but didn't, because of Don King.

    Hell, the idiot even tried to block a possible Lewis vs Holyfield matchup in 1994.
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    The $13.5 million offer was reported in the NY Times prior to Tyson's scheduled fight with Seldon July 1996 (the fight was postponed0.

    BOXING MONTHLY June 1996 reports a $10 milliomn offer before the Mercer-Lewis fight and says :

    "Tyson and King, have paid Lewis $4 million as a step-aside fee so that tyson can go ahead with his challenge to WBA champ Bruce Seldon at the MGM Grand, Las Vegas on 13 July. Much of that money may be used to cover the legal fees that Lewis's handlers in Britain, Panix Promotions, and the USA, Main events, have spent fighting his case in U.S. courts.

    Lewis prefers to look upon the huge step-aside fee as a sign that Tyson is scared of him. "If Tyson is so confident, why will he pay not to fight me ?" he asks.

    The counter-question could be asked that if Lewis was so confident, why did he turn down $10 million, the highest purse of Lewis's career, for a fight with Tyson, an offer made prior to the Mercer fight ?

    Lewis can think what he likes, but the truth is $4 million is relative chicken feed to the Tyson industry. Tyson will likely earn another $30 million payday for trashing Seldon and can well afford to spend a little in order to shut out Lewis for a while longer.

    Tyson himself will not be scared of Lewis, least of all after having seen the trouble Mercer caused him. but he and his handlers will resent being pushed around by a "Duva-friendly" judge in New Jersey. Essentially, they have spent $4 million in order to regroup and buy time before deciding their next move."
     
  12. ChrisPontius

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    I'm not sure if "ducked" is the right word, since Tyson wasn't THE champion, but just a beltholder and hadn't been for that long. On top of that, he faced Lewis when he was in far lesser condition, both mentally and physically.

    Fact remains however, that Tyson dropped his WBC belt to take an easy fight (Seldon) in order not to face Lennox Lewis, and had to pay him $4M for it.
     
  13. ChrisPontius

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    10 million, 13.5 million, how much is it ? I remember that in the HBO broadcast of Lewis vs Mercer, Lampley and Merchant kept saying that Lewis took this fight in the USA because he wanted to impress to public to force a Tyson showdown. Everything they said is perpendicular to the statement that he was offered the fight already.
     
  14. JudgeDredd

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    Tysons camp wanted the more lucrative Holyfield fight figuring Holyfield wouldn't be as dangerous.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    It seems that 10 million was a first offer, then 13.5.
    The 13.5 was reported later anyway, but I cant find the exact source at the moment.
    Either way, it was bigger than anything Lewis had ever received before AND it was for the WBC title he wanted to get back.

    HBO were obviously backing Lewis all the way. And the Television and promotional politics is the real reason these two camps were avoiding each other. Tyson was on an exclusive deal with Showtime. Lewis was with HBO.
    What Merchant and Lampley (biased as they were paid to be) might be getting at is that Lewis needed to build his profile with the paying public so that to force a fight that would pay him even more.
    Lewis was being built up but he wasn't drawing like he wanted to, I would guess. And the Mercer fight did little to persuade anyone.

    I wonder how much pay Holyfield took to take on Tyson.

    Of course, there are two sides to the story. And Lewis's camp made offers too. But Tyson was the draw, indisputably at this time. And the TV politics were difficult.