1996 - "Tyson Ducked Lewis" ?

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  1. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm calling bull**** on these offers, yes I think don King maybe capable of lying. Either way Lewis wanted the fight, was trying to hype the fight and contractually was owed the fight. Tyson and his team broke the contract not Lewis
     
  2. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Absolutely could be the case. :good


    Your post tails off dramatically here though.
    Having already identified that purse offers are often bull****, and promoters lie, you just parrot a load of (what could be) Lewis camp propaganda that was reported in exactly the same magazines and papers as the ones that reported the offers to Lewis.

    You call bull**** of anything that spreads the blame out towards Lewis's side. But assume everything reported in Lewis's favour is fact ?
     
  3. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I guess this is the bottomline. I will say though, that any basically any piece of information that i read/heard/viewed stated that Lewis wanted the fight, and any sound from Tyson's camp was based on getting title(s) back as fast as possible, or making as much money as possible. This meant Lewis was not in business.

    I have to question the legitimacy of that offer. It's very obscure and even your sources don't agree on the substance of the offer.
     
  4. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    This is a NY Times article that mentions the 13.5 offer, but it's not the main story. It also mentions Lewis's handlers offering Tyson 45 mill ! Make of it what you will :
    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/04/sports/boxing-bronchitis-stops-tyson-seldon-fight-is-off.html?sec=health[/url]

    Personally, I take everything reported in boxing business with a pinch of salt, including the constant theme propogated by Lennox Lewis complaining that he was being ducked.
     
  5. lefthook31

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    Rock Newman did the same thing with Riddick Bowe. The fights were worth substantially more than that, so Newman and King just made him a take it or leave it offer that was probably a third of what the realistic number was, and Lewis declined.
    King would have never put Tyson in with Lewis anyway after three fights, he had the WBA and IBF titleholders under contract, Holyfield, Morrison, and Lewis being the WBC mandatory and the most credible opponent around that time, was the only one who was not signed to King. King signed just about everyone else.
    Kings thinking was that he would eventually get the title back just as he did when he beat Lewis with Oliver Mcall. Lewis was forced to fight a King fighter after his loss to Mcall for the eliminator and another King fighter as his first defense.
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    But in the case of Lewis-Tyson the money was definitely being generated by Tyson's drawing power, not Lewis's.

    I would be interested to know how much Holyfield accepted to fight Tyson. Even though Holyfield was considered washed-up he had a big following, and I'd say he brought at least as much to the fight as Lewis did.
     
  7. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Well just as you said, Lewis camp offered Tyson 45 million to fight Lewis with them promoting the event, so that says something right there doesnt it?
    Holyfield was the low man looking in and he also signed with King, meaning King controlled Holyfield win or lose. Im sure Holyfield was paid comparable money 10-20 million, but he made a killing on the rematch.
    One thing about King, he was not really afraid to make competitive fights, he was only afraid of losing control of a title or a promotion. If he had Lewis under contract with options, things would have been a lot different, for example Lewis would have been ranked in the IBF as the #1 contender, because Tyson being superstitious, wanted to unify the titles exactly the way he did when he was younger, WBC WBA, voluntary defense, IBF, and Lewis would have been the final fight in that series and would have been huge to both fighters, Lewis just didnt want to have anything to do with King, and basically fought himself into the mandatory spots by stepping over a lot of King promoted fighters.
     
  8. JudgeDredd

    JudgeDredd Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Holyfield recieved $8 million for the first Tyson fight.
     
  9. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you consider how much influence a fighter's handlers have in the match making process picking Holyfield for $8 million and control of either fighter seemed like a no brainer for Don King. Lennox wanted more, and would not give King any promotional options therefore King played hard ball.

    I doubt at the time people questioned Tyson's ability especially since the Mercer fight raised more questions than answers about Lennox Lewis. If anything I think team Tyson was more interested in controlling the belts and therefore holding significant leverage over any fighter that would eventually challenge for any given belt. It simply makes business sense.

    Someone mentioned this earlier, Don King always has and will make competitive fights as long as he had options on both fighters. I concur.
     
  10. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    EDIT: Sorry, I ****ed up and misread the opening post. Must be dyslexic. :patsch:nut
     
  11. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Re read the entire thread.
     
  12. JudgeDredd

    JudgeDredd Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes spot on
     
  13. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Convienient that you only only mention the $45 million offer after called upon for the source.

    Hidden agenda bull****.

    It you're going to provide a case provide ALL the facts.

    Lefthook31, good post.:good
     
  14. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    its all business. they wanted to pick up some easy titles then make the biggest fight they could, a unification fight with holyfield. who was more known then lennox lewis. plus it was thought to be an easier fight. tyson wasnt afraid of lewis at all. and you better believe that lewis would have got hi shot at tyson had tyson beaten holyfield but you all know what happen. it was realy a business move. you can calim that lewis "ducked" chris byrd or john ruiz, since he clearly didnt want to fight those guys and dropped the wba belt. but nobody believes thats the case.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    No, the 45 million pound offer came afterwards. You are right, the 45 million offer is mentioned in the same source as the 13.5. I didn't have that source at hand but had read something similar a week ago about a 13.5, but I first found the earlier source (BOXING MONTHLY) that didn't mention any offer from Lewis's people to Tyson (we can only assume it came later) and mentions only 10 million offer to Lewis. That's my only mistake.

    I have no hidden agenda. You're the one with the agenda but I admit you make no attempt to hide it. You have pro-Lewis bias through and through.

    I haven't provided ALL the facts, but i've provided some, two sources. You are welcome to dig around and come up with other contemporary sources and we can then evaluate ALL the facts. Which are only reports and alleged facts anyway. If you want to help get to the truth of the reports at the time, please do.