Current Top 10 P4P list

Mosely is getting waaaayyyy to high placings on the lists on page 1(as far as I read.
He got beat by Cotto, and was getting beat up by Mayorga until a spectacular end.
He beats Maragrito(made for Mosely), and all of a sudden he's top 2 or 3 p4p, no way!!!!

Mayweather is the best around, then Pac, then a couple of question marks IMO. Hopkins and JMM.
What does JMM have left in the tank, similarly Hopkins. Is he fighting his last opponent and Jones, because he knows he's fading?

 

I dont think ward belongs there yet based off accomplishments.

 

**** I forgot about Bradley.

 

Pac is a level above anyone else in the ring but his actions outside the ring when it comes to PR and such have alot of people underrating him.

PBF is clear #2 behind Pac but the gap is pretty big in my eyes. If they were the same natural size people would realise this very easily but because Pac is challenging himself above his weightclass, they dont

JMM you still gotta consider that he's a little guy fighting out of his weightclass at 140 or 147 (so is Pac at 147 in a way). But if JMM can't make 135 anymore then he'd drop to the bottom of the top10

Alot of people think Mosley came out of nowhere to top5 in the p4p list but I had Mosley around #11 when he destroyed Margarito. Mosley was underrated by most I remember most people thought Hatton was better than Mosley before Pac beat Hatton.

Hopkins imo even though he's old he's still very effective in the ring and would probably beat the brakes off of most SMWs and LHWs unless they have exceptionally fast hands and good stamina.

Donaire hasn't beaten any big names since his destruction of Darchinyan but he's been blowing away everyone he's fought which is exactly what a top p4p fighter does when he's not fighting big names

Ward is a real talent and he's gotten alot better and he beat Kessler who imo is underrated as a fighter because of that loss. Kessler before losing to Ward was one of the most consistant champs and had one bump against Calzaghe (wouldn't call that a bump because he lost a competitive fight to another elite fighter). Ward is imo one of the smartest fighters in the sport and unless I'm overrating him i expect him to win the tournament.

Williams is a tall punching machine with insane stamina and a great chin but I don't buy that bit about him being a natural WW, I think his best weight is 154. I had him losing to Martinez by 1 point but I'm sure there's some guys that would beat Martinez who Williams would handle. Styles make fights.

Vitali is the best HW. I have him winning every round since his comeback except maybe 1 round against JCG. I think Vitali is even better than Wlad but the gap is closing. I used to have VK a little higher on this list.

Dawson can get sloppy sometimes and his defense is not all that but he is definately fast and has fluid combos and once he gets in the zone, very hard to beat. I think he could beat Hopkins by razor thin UD but its more of a styles thing, cause Hopkins is still better than Dawson.

 

Yeah, okay that was over the top. Still, he was the better man in the majority of the bout.

I don't see how you can call Pascal and Dirrell great wins while Kessler is only a good win.

Do you not think Pascal was drained?

In reality, Dirrell is not a good win on paper, but only because you could see in the fight that he had skills. If you look at boxrec (boxings definition of "paper" right?) Dirrell will not look like a good fighter. So no matter what, all three wins can have some debate over them in terms of the opponent. You also got to add Miranda in the mix as a win on a level near (not quite there, but almost) those three.

Beating #1 makes you #1, right?

 

He still beat Mayorga. He won the fight, though not in great fashion. What makes you believe Margo is made for Mosley? Give some expert analysis. That win is great no matter how you cut it.

 

beating #1 doesn't necessarily make you number 1. Beating the champ makes you the champ though. Its not the same thing.

 

no I'm dead serious. There's alot more than just technical skills that count in a fighter. Also Pac would've been p4p #1 wether PBF retired or not with the win streak he's been on.

PBF was a slight favorite but if they fought at JrWW Pac would be a major favorite. If they were the same size Pac would also be a favorite.

 

I don't know man, at 130 I would be confident in a mayweather victory over pac.

 

Pac was a little hot and cold at 130 but at his best at that weight which I think started with the Larios fight I would pick him over PBF by close UD. At 135-140 I would pick him over PBF with confidence I think Pac is even better at those weights than he was at 130.

 

Why? Chris John beat him twice. The first time he was robbed out of a win, but it was sort of close when John was fighting with the flu. Second time he pretty much shut out Juarez except for the 12th.

He also beat Juan Manuel Marquez (or at worst was competitive with), who pretty much everyone has in their top 5. He also has about 4 or 5 other good wins. Just he went through a period for a couple years where he fought nobody of consequence, but even then, his opposition was still better than the guys Nonito Donaire has been facing since he fought Vic.

 

yeah, i didn't mean to differentiate by saying pascal, dirrell were 'great' wins and that beating kessler was only a 'good win'. all 3 of those are good wins.

my main point is that a lot of people want to put ward in there top 10 p4p where as most wouldn't put froch in there top 20.

many also have ward above haye in there p4p lists when in recent years haye has unified the cruiserweight titles and won a heavyweight title. i think thats bull****.

i like ward, he's a good, promising fighter but i always get the feeling that american fighters get over-rated in these lists where as european fighters like klitchsko's, abraham, haye, froch, khan are judged on different merits. maybe i'm just paranoid :think

 

very good pt.