Floyd has the most important intangible...

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  1. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Yes no doubt.... Floyd is one of the smartest fighters out there. His ability to do different things within the ring, adapt to his opponent, figure problems out within the ring are a cut above. This is his biggest advantage in this fight with Shane actually IMO.
     
  2. horst

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    Floyd is smart, but he is not the smartest fighter I've ever seen, not by a long way. JL Castillo beat him by fighting the exact same fight he has always fought, no surprises, and Floyd just couldn't deal with him on the night. He adjusted and beat him by running and refusing to engage second time out, but he failed to adjust and win the first fight. I don't believe a truly cerebral fighter like Salvador Sanchez or Pernell Whitaker would ever have been beaten by someone as predictable and one-dimensional as JLC. Please realize I am not saying Castillo was not a very very good fighter, he was, my point is that he fights the same way every time, so even though he is very effective doing so, a great cerebral fighter should have been able to work him out, especially if they had did their homework beforehand.

    However, Floyd is indeed smarter and more versatile than Shane Mosley, but not every single fight is won by the smarter fighter. Some fights are won with ring smarts (like Sanchez-Nelson, Marquez-Diaz, Mayweather-Oscar), and some fights are won with physicality (like Margarito-Cotto, Pacquiao-Barrera, Foreman-Frazier). The physical side is just as important as the mental. It's not inconceivable that Shane's physical prowess could be the defining factor, and not Floyd's mind.

    It should never be overlooked in the build-up to this fight that Floyd has never fought anyone as physically strong as Shane, nor has he ever fought anyone with as much punching power, nor has he ever fought anyone with Shane's mix of size and punch resistance.
     
  3. kirk

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    I agree :good
     
  4. kirk

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    I have a serious question one would think i would know by now. I hear so many different things regarding Floyd in the Castillo fight on his condition during the fight.... so im wondering if someone can clear this up for me.

    Ive heard Floyd
    - Had cracked ribs
    - Broken hand
    - Dislocated Shoulder

    in his fight with Castillo.... is this true? I have a hard time thinking it is and i know how crazy misinformation gets so i wondered if anyone knew for sure.
     
  5. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To make it more precise, what sets him apart is intuition. Knowing what the opponent will do a split second before he does it.

    It's a gift but it's not about intelligence as far as I'm concerned. In boxing terms, instead of intuition we'll use "timing" and in his case it's an incredible one of a kind timing ! Mario Lemieux, the ex great NHL player once said that what made him so special on the ice is that he was sort of able to see the action develop in slow motion while it's at full speed for others. That special capability made it easy for him to out feint players and simply out play them..

    It's a special talent that can compare to say "Wayne Gretzky" in hockey always knowing where everybody was on the ice without ever looking at them in order to make the most brilliant passes possible or like special point guards in basketball that dish out of no where, a perfect pass to a teammate without ever looking in their direction...

    They're all special talents based on some sort of 6th sense !!
     
  6. Jack

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    I think a lot of people mistake fighting defensively for fighting smart, in the same way that aggressive boxers are rarely given fair praise for their skills. There's plenty of these in boxing.

    But I do agree that Floyd is a smart fighter. However, is he smarter than Richardson? I don't think so, and that is what it comes down to. Mosley is going to be doing whatever Richardson says, because he is a very good pupil.
     
  7. bandido

    bandido The Black Bandit Full Member

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    nice interview. just read it.
     
  8. oibighead

    oibighead G.O.A.T. Full Member

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    wasnt it from 144 to 146?
     
  9. marzblkman

    marzblkman Active Member Full Member

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    I love it. Because you choose NOT to sit and trade like something from "GHETTO BRAWLS" or that barbaric MMA (yeah I said it) you're seen as being "cautious" or "fighting safe" right? How short sighted.

    Love the JLC mentions also because those that say that FAIL to mention what happened in the rematch,lol.

    To answer the above that I quoted. One, you never see Floyd with his feet close together. What does that mean to those that haven't boxed?? One he knows that BALANCE is more important that speed and power. Contrary to popular believe Floyd has DEFINITELY been tagged in his career but I personally believe it's been his great stability (thats not recognized) that kept him up along with his mental toughness.

    In addition to what else he does smart is he chooses NOT to get into what we call "war stories". All that crap of "YOU HIT ME, I"LL HIT YOU HARDER" which is a natural human insticnt. In the midst of combat he knows all that does is feed into the other guy. So he'll make the other guy MISS which will frustrate them thus making them try harder and make them open for counters later.

    Hate the man because he's a big mouth, Black, arrogant, etc but don't hate his skills and attributes because he does bring a unique set of tools that is rare in the game today.
     
  10. knotty150

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    the JMM fight? Might have been I'm not entirely sure. Cant be arsed to check either right now :p Either way, my point is that it's easy for Floyd to look good against illegible opponents, regardless of how masterful he actually is, which is why im well up for the Shane fight.

    I'm picking Shane to win. One thing that simply hasn't been incredibly well documented is Floyd's chin. We've never really seen him take a flush punch, let alone "punishment." It'll be very interesting to see how he reacts to, what I believe will be an inevitable clean hook from Mosley and I personally don't think he'll be able to handle it. I fully expect May to make Mosley look stupid at times and we'll be watching replays of Mayweathers defensive prowess ridiculing Shane, but I simply don't think May will be able to handle Shane's raw power.
     
  11. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Floyd's most important intangible is timing. He arrived post Quartey, mosley, dlh, tito welter era.
     
  12. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Seriously though, he has a lot of tangibles that are so good we don't really need to look for "intangibles."
     
  13. I can't debate that. I've been disappointed that he hasn't fought several guys, but, it's not my call.
     

  14. Don't really agree with much of what you said.
     

  15. Yeah, you're right, Floyd doesn't think at all when he's in there.:-(