Anyone really better than a prime SRL?

I think that the hopkins who fought Tito would beat the SRL who fought Hagler. Hagler fought a dumb fight and lost a lot of rounds where he won the first half only to let SRL win the last half. He wasnt at his best at 160 but it was still a great performance given his lay off.

 

Hearns would have an easy time with PBF. PBF likes to stay on the outside unless he has to get closer, well Hearns jab, reach speed and accuracy would make for an easy night outboxing him on the outside. I mean he outboxed SRL for most of the fight.

 

The Duran vs SRL issue is certainly interesting.

It was once said on this forum that nobody ever put more into a fight and lost than Joe Frazier in his third fight with Ali, I'm thinking nobody ever put more into a fight and won than Duran did against SRL in their first fight.

By that I mean it was such an all encompassing effort, it wasn't something Duran would have been able to consistently do, so whilst I think there were a range of mitigating factors in why the 2nd Duran-Leonard fight turned out the way it did, even without those mitigating factors, Leonard was probably always going to win a rematch.

However was Duran necessarily at his peak in 1980?

Yes the first SRL fight was his peak performance, but I suspect Duran could have been capable of slightly more a few years prior, if the circumstances had been there.

Anyway, whilst I think Duran at his peak was P4P better than Leonard at his peak, taking into account how each faired in their respective natural weight divisions(i.e. Lightweight vs Welterweight), I am happy enough to concede that at Welterweight with all things being equal, SRL would have won a trilogy against Duran by 2-1.

In looking at SRL in head to head contests against other boxers, well I think the following at the respective weight classes.

At 147, probably only unable to best SRR in a trilogy.

Even though you could think of other fighters who might be able to snatch a win at 147 against Leonard(i.e. Hearns if a rematch at 147 had happened), I suspect he would come out ahead in a trilogy against them all, bar SRR(who I think beats Leonard at any weight).

At 154, I don't think going up in weight helps Leonard at all and I suspect he would lose to Hearns at 154, and probably to Mike McCallum.

At 160, Leonard would not do well against the great middleweights at all. Prime Hagler likely KO's Leonard in my view, as would Carlos Monzon.

At 160 I also doubt if Leonard could beat a prime Bhop and definitely not RJJ either.

 

you can get a pass cause your puerto rican but SRL would have an easy time outboxing Tito

If Pryor really wanted to fight SRL or Hearns at 147 then he should have jumped up there and gotten a win there. The guy was a cheater so I dont have much respect for him to begin with and its nonsense to think that SRL ducked someone from 140 when he fought everyone else

Im not sure about Ali, he was dropped and very close to being stopped before, SRL had a better chin and better power p4p.

 

Camacho Sr. at LW.

 

1. hat decision is disputed until today and Hagler was very much past it. Roy would be a different cattle with a different style. Prime Hagler was better han mw Jones but mw Jones was better than the Hagler SRL faced.
2. Benitez is totally different to Whitaker. Both are defensive geniusses but thet's all hey have in common. Even in that they are different.
3. Floyd's best weight was at 130, Leonards at 147. No question Floyd loses this one and very clearly.
4. No, Leonard is not a Top5 of all time. Even Top10, Top15 and Top20 is questionable, depending on criteria.

I rank Leonard and Whitaker in the same mold. Both clearly above Floyd and Roy though.

 

tito was a better boxer than duran and duran didnt had a problem landing his shots against srl...

:hat

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Oh, dear.

For the poster who said Camacho at LW......No. Leonard was much more versatile/complete and proven against historic/legendary greats.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

Those fanboys in this threads really crack me up.

 

sorry but tito was not a better boxer than the greatest lightweight of all time , also Tito looks like he is going in slow motion compared with Duran.

 

Hopkins under 40 did not throw one punch at a time and SRL isnt knocking Hopkins out at 160. SRL was past his best at 160 and while it was a great win as I said, Hagler fought a dumb fight and I suspect Hopkins would be too smart to get lured into SRL's game.

 

Leonard beats Trinidad pretty handily.

at comparing Trinidad to Duran. Trinidad fights NOTHING like the Duran who beat Leonard. Duran was all over Leonard, using his footspeed and terrific upper body movement, and beating Leonard on the inside. Trinidad was methodical and had half the footspeed of Duran. And he wouldn't want to get at that range anyway because he was better at mid to long range. Imagine if Leonard goes into his fleet-footed style like he did against Duran in the rematch and against Hagler. Tito would be, as Leonard later said when commentating, "discomboomerated".

I was suddenly reminded of how bad some of Trinidad's fans were on the forums in 2000-01. It was like how some of the Pacquiao and Mayweather fanatics are now.

 

Not a chance.

Not even a slim chance.

DLH thoroughly outboxed Tito and Leonard is (was) much better than Oscar.

in addition, he had much more power.

If Tito is still there after the fourth, it's because Leonard wants to punish him some more.