Two Greats meeting in the ring.

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    There is an old saying in boxing that no two great Heavyweights will meet in the ring during their primes.

    Obviously finding two great fighters with overlapping careers and them fighting each other is hard in all weight classes. So what bouts did this phenomenom occur?

    (Say the two participants have to be in the Top 10 at their weightclass)

    Heavyweight

    Cruiserweight

    Light Heavyweight

    Super Middleweight

    Middleweight

    Light Middleweight

    Welterweight

    Light Welterweight

    Lightweight

    Super Featherweight

    Featherweight

    Super Bantamweight

    Bantamweight

    Super Flyweight

    Flyweight

    Light Flyweight

    Strawweight

    Name some fights lads.
     
  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Leonard-Hearns
    MAB-Morales
    MAB-Hamed (depending if you consider Hamed great/prime)
    MAB-Pacquaio (depending if you consider them prime)
    Burley-Holman Williams
    Moore-Charles
    Charles-Bivins (depending if you consider Bivins great)
    Bowe-Holyfield
    DLH-Tito
    Mayweather-Corrales/Castillo (depending if you consider them great)

    I only read top10 after making the list and a good few of them arent top10, they are nearish their prime though
     
  3. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Heavyweight
    Frazier-Ali
    Foreman-Frazier

    You could argue that neither Ali nor Frazier were at their primes.

    Light Heavyweight
    Archie Moore-Harold Johnson
    Loughran-Tunney

    Pretty hard to judge whwn Moore's prime was though.

    Middleweight
    Tiger-Giardello
    Tiger-Griffith

    Both, Griffith and Giardello a borderline Top10.

    Welterweight
    Robinson-Gavilan

    Light Welterweight
    Locche-Cervantes
    Cervantes-Benitez
    Canzoneri-Berg

    You could argue Benitez wasn't prime when he beat Cervantes.

    Lightweight
    Canzoneri-Ross
    Williams-Jack
    Canzoneri-Ambers
    Armstrong-Ambers

    Jack and Ambers are borderline Top10.
     
  4. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Spinks- Braxton LH
    Hearns- Leonard Welter
    Duran- Dejesus 2 Lightweight
    Chavez-Rosario Lw
    Jones-Toney Not Jones fault Toney came in drained
    Barrera-Morales 1 2
    Tapia-Romero JB
    Delahoya-Trinidad Welter
    Curry-Mccory
    Patterson-Joahannsen
    Zarate-Zamora
    Barrera-Naseem (naz was in his prime)
    Chavez-Taylor I
    Arguello-Mancini
    Griffith-Paret
     
  5. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And in which fight two Top10 fought each other?

    And I don't think Naz was in his prime when he fought Barrera. He was already slipping when he fought Kelley. He was still very good though.
     
  6. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well all these guys were elite in their divisions at the time. In all those cases all were top 2 fighters. Do you mean top 10 contenders? IF so this thread could go on forever, especially back in the days where it was a regular thing for 2 top 10 guys to fight eachother.
    I think Naz was in his prime he just finally fought a great fighter in his prime. And Kelly exposed Naz as less than unbeatable thats all. Once he stepped up his comp, he didnt look so awesome its not that he was slipping.
     
  7. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    He means top10 of all time in their respective divisions I believe

    Hamed was only 27, but had stopped training hard, theres a documentary pre-MAB and he does little to no training, he took success for granted by that stage and thought MAB would be another knock over job. If you see him when he was 21 he was far more athletic, would throw combinations, body shots and importantly was far more fleet footed.
     
  8. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Read he hread. It's not about two top-fighters but two Top10 of all-time fighting each other in heir prime.

    Nah, watch his fights before and then his later matches. His defense and skills are largely gone and he became totally powerhappy. He sared believing in his own hype and power and ignored he rest. He was still in his prime physically but not when you consider everything.
     
  9. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    What I was looking for. Thanks for that
     
  10. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wish I knew who originated this whopper. The Corbett-Jackson draw took place on May 21, 1891. It's also been argued that the best version of Corbett who ever stepped foot in the ring was the one Jeffries pulled it out of the fire from at Coney Island.

    If Tommy Burns is accepted as a great heavyweight, then it must be acknowledged that he was at the height of his powers at age 27, when Johnson wrested the title from him.

    Schmeling didn't fight particularly well against Max Baer, but he was still just 27 years old when they squared off. Baer himself was only 26 when Louis produced his peak performance at Maxie's expense. Baer would not lose for another two years, and when he did (to Tommy Farr), he promptly avenged the defeat.

    A pairing of two great prime heavyweights doesn't guarantee a great fight like the FOTC, but to say such an event will never happen strikes me as ignorantly mindless hyperbole (like most such sayings).
     
  11. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Monzon-Napoles and Gomez-Zarate come to mind.
     
  12. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think that Corbett - Jackson is probably the closest we get to prime for prime greats squaring off. Ali Frazier is the next closest. Schmeling Louis I is much closer than people give credit. Holyfield Bowe must be given consideration, also. The Langford/McVey fights would also be extremely close. Ali Foreman might qualify also and possibly even Foreman Frazier.

    I agree, it does happen a little regularly than suggested, although i guess that thire are arguments in all of the above fights that at least one participant wasnt prime for some reason or another. EG, Ali had the Layoff, Jackson the injured ankle, etc.
     
  13. janitor

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    Barbados Joe Walcott vs Joe Gans.

    We might never see that kind of fight again!
     
  14. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good stuff Bodhi :good which do you think is the best match up pound for pound as far as both fighters being closer to their respective primes than any of the others - and the respective quality (all time ratings) of the combatants compared to any of the other examples etc?? I'd say Robbie and the Keed has to be almost it - let me know what you think - and also does this qualify it as being held up as the match-up of all-time/the century?
     
  15. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    one of the Greb-Tunney set-to's?