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Cotto's legacy will be that of more hype than substance & fighting for vacant titles

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Wiesiek Well-Known Member Full Member

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Its amazing how many ppl on these forums cant score a fight properly , There is no way you can score Mosley vs Cotto for Mosley let alone Malignaggi fight , it seems to me that from some time , ppl started to use close fights to bash fighters they do not like, with their "he arguably lost that fight" phrase. Even when there was a clear winner. Its not like every close fight could've gone either way.

I've noticed that on discussions about Taylor vs B-hop too , now after Taylor is done, somehow the majority of posters remember B-hop as the obvious winner who got robbed twice.

Wiesiek, Mar 7, 2010

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this whole joke of a post is basically trying to attack Cotto because Pac beat him up. If Mayweather had fought him and beat him Cotto would be considered better. If you use the same sense of judgement, Mayweather's career above 35 is a joke - IF you use the same sense of judgement this clown is.

look at the names Cotto fought!
140
Juuko
Bazan
Maussa
Sosa
Ndou
Pinto
Bailey
Torres
Branco
Malignaggi
then at 47
Quintana
Urkal
Judah
Mosley
Gomez
Margarito
Jennings
Clottey
Pac
and now at 54
Foreman

yes there was some controversy in some fights like the Corley fight, even the Malignaggi fight which if you simply score the fight some people give to Paulie even though Cotto rearranged his face Paulie won his share of rounds in some eyes, I watched the Mosley fight twice and first I thought Mosley won, later I thought Cotto won it, Judah yes you got to wonder if the low blows changed the course of the fight but it was still a helluva Cotto performance, but he beat Torres fairly even though he nearly lost by KO. I thought Clottey beat him in a close fight.

In any event, Cotto is a great top level fighter, an honorable guy who fought the best.

I wonder what you would have thought of Cotto if he made it all the way to pound for pound number one and blew off fights with all the competition fights everyone wanted to see, including a rematch with the biggest name in boxing he barely beat by SD, and then he went into pro wrestling and retired right when the entire world was watching him in his absolute prime.

Think about this one:

Cotto would have likely defeated EVERYONE on Mayweather's resume to date.

who would have beat him?
Gatti?
Mitchell? Judah? Baldo? DLH at 54? Hatton at 47? Juan Manuel Marquez at 47?

So shut the **** up.
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Great post :thumbsup

Richy.r, Mar 7, 2010

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keure said: ↑

cotto was never a true world champion, he was never recognized as the undisputed or lineal champ in any weight class, merely just a title holder and he never fought mayweather so he didnt fight all the best of his era, cotto is very overrated in terms of his boxing ability and accomplishments, but imo he is very underrated as a person, the guy is a classy guy, and is a good role model for how to account for yourself while in the limelight, but unfortunately none of that makes him any greater in terms of his status as a fighter, he is a good to very good fighter during his era, not even an elite fighter in his era, let alone all time status.
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I guess nobody has been a champion in the last 6 years. Because Floyd don't fight any top elite welterweight at their primes. Not a worthy fight since the Zab Judah fight.

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Why some people keep mentioning PW when talking about welters??? I mean, it has been almost two ****ing years since he fought at 147lbs

Ricky369, Mar 7, 2010

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Ricky369 said: ↑

Why some people keep mentioning PW when talking about welters??? I mean, it has been almost two ****ing years since he fought at 147lbs
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It might be because Cotto and Williams were at welterweight AND they never fought.

RingKing, Mar 7, 2010

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I don't understand why people keep bringing up Mayweather. You don't consider Cotto the top WW because he didn't fight Mayweather, Williams, but you consider Floyd the best in his era for fighting....... ****

paloalto00, Mar 7, 2010

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I have been critical of him because he is not an elite boxer like Mayweather and Pacquioa as well as Mosley. However he is a very good boxer.

ripcity, Mar 7, 2010

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Jacory Harris said: ↑

Cotto should have lost against Torres, Corley and most certainly Judah if he had not blatantly gone for low blows in these fights. AT WORSE, the Clottey fight should have atleast been a draw. I had Shane clearly ahead in his fight against Cotto. Had it not been for the three blind mice (judges) and the fact Shane was fighting Cotto in his backyard, he would have earned an easy UD.

This guy has been more hype than substance. His daddy Arum shielded him from Money as far as he could. They both know that would've been a bloody massacre (ala Gatti/Money).

Cotto has no business at 154 unless its for a paper title which he notoriously has a reputation of picking up vacant titles. Regardless, Foremen is going to toy with Cotto and shock the boxing world. I'm just amazed at the amount of posters who fail to see this. Take the blinders off and analyze all of the facts that Cotto has been done and overhyped for a long time now.
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Yo...I am the Biggest critic of Miguel Cotto. Actually more critical of his Fans than i am of Cotto. His fans honestly believes he a TOP-NOTCH, WORLD-CLASS fighter. When in fact I have always seen him as a "middle of the Road" fighter with "Middle of the Road" skill and OBVIOUS AND GLARING FLAWS!!!

But you are dead wrong about the Torres fight, Corley Fight, Judah Fight, he show big-time heart against Clottey and he did beat Mosley. My opinion of Cotto has always been this...In 2005 I met a poster (I won't mention his name) in Yahoo Chat NBA Hoops...then we started talking Boxing. He asked about his Favorite fighter Cotto. And back in '05 i said: "Cotto's defense is AWFUL (Not just below average) But Just Plain Awful, he gets hit way too much and has VERY POOR Stamina". I Said it in '05, '06, '07, '08 In my now "Infamous" thread "Sorry Cotto Fans, Just Keepin' it real" in '09 and i am saying it Now.

Now with all that being said...he showed the ability to bounce back from adversity with Bombing Torres, he destroyed Corley, Punished Judah, Beat Mosley in a Close but good fight...Survived against Clottey but showed Great Heart. I did have a Problem with a "So-called" World Class fighter fighting Gomez and an Unranked Jennings...but let his fans tell it, it was to "STAY BUSY:-(". All of his Flaws were severely exposed in his two losses. He was destoying Margarito early but the Poor stamina came in Round 6. If he know how to BOX (having a jab doesn't mean your a Boxer) could have easily beat Pacquiao. that why Pacquiao haven't fought a "Real" Boxer yet. The Closest he came to fighting a Boxer was Morales...remember the result?

darryl1914, Mar 7, 2010

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Cotto never impressed me with his boxing ability, however he did impress me as a man and as a person. Cotto has some great names on his resume, but Bob Arum wouldn't let him fight Floyd and he ducked PW like crazy. I give him credit for the WBA defenses, but that WBO title and the defense that many consider that he lost were nothing more then posturing for Arum's wallet. Even the WBA defenses were dirty, and debatable.

I never understood why when it came to Floyd people were always screaming about Cotto and Margacheato. Both limited fighters, that most (when honest with themselves) would agree that Floyd easily dismantles had they fought.

Jaguar, Mar 7, 2010

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Cotto could have been much much better.

Unfortunately his promoter screwed him over.

I hope he himself realizes that one day.

HolyCityBully, Mar 7, 2010

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NeckBreaknAiken said: ↑

Get the **** out with that ***** ****. That's the same bull**** Pac fans like to say. I'm a true boxing fan and could give a **** less about Cotto and his blatant ducking of Paul Williams. ****in low-blowing, dirty-fighting ass.... I just hope he beats Yuri Foreman so he can finally face PW if Bob Arum doesn't kep protecting him
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Well done on Paul Williams wanting to fight 5 foot 7 Miguel Cotto. You know why Cotto didnt want to fight Williams? Its probably because nobody gives a **** about him and he would be a small welterweight fighting a ****ing MIDDLEWEIGHT!

ricardoparker93, Mar 7, 2010

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God help us, it looks like we have another attention ***** on esb. Let's all do our collective best to ignore this fukker.

richie leon, Mar 7, 2010

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LETS REVIEW THE EVENTS!!!!!!!!
Cotto first fight at 147lbs was against Carlos Quintana. After that fight, Cotto tried to fight Margarito (THIS IS A FACT). Margarito chose to fight PW first and then he was going to fight Cotto. But he was surprised by Williams. Meanwhile, Cotto fought Judah. After Judah, Cotto fought fought Mosley (BIGGER FIGHT WITH MORE MONEY THAN FIGHTING WILLIAMS). So, Williams decided to fight Quintana. A boxer Cotto destroyed in 5 rounds. But SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!! WILLIAMS LOST!! So now, a fight against Williams was not interesting anymore. Meanwhile Cotto destroyed Gomez and Marrgarito proved he deserved a fight by destroying Cintron (again)for the IBF tittle. (SUM THAT TO THE MEXICO-PUERTO RICO RIVALRY AND YOU KNOW WHERE THE MONEY IS).
Surprise attacked again and Margarito destroyed Cotto. Williams hasn't fight at Welterweight since then. I AM SORRY, BUT I CANNOT SEE WHEN WAS WILLIAMS DUCKED BY ANYBODY!!!!

Ricky369, Mar 7, 2010

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Jacory Harris said: ↑

Cotto should have lost against Torres, Corley and most certainly Judah if he had not blatantly gone for low blows in these fights. AT WORSE, the Clottey fight should have atleast been a draw. I had Shane clearly ahead in his fight against Cotto. Had it not been for the three blind mice (judges) and the fact Shane was fighting Cotto in his backyard, he would have earned an easy UD.

This guy has been more hype than substance. His daddy Arum shielded him from Money as far as he could. They both know that would've been a bloody massacre (ala Gatti/Money).

Cotto has no business at 154 unless its for a paper title which he notoriously has a reputation of picking up vacant titles. Regardless, Foremen is going to toy with Cotto and shock the boxing world. I'm just amazed at the amount of posters who fail to see this. Take the blinders off and analyze all of the facts that Cotto has been done and overhyped for a long time now.
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he should have lost to Torres, okay:roll: he came back and knocked him out with a body shot. What the hell kind of boxing fan are youatsch

BrooklynMumin, Mar 7, 2010

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Jacory Harris said: ↑

Cotto should have lost against Torres, Corley and most certainly Judah if he had not blatantly gone for low blows in these fights. AT WORSE, the Clottey fight should have atleast been a draw. I had Shane clearly ahead in his fight against Cotto. Had it not been for the three blind mice (judges) and the fact Shane was fighting Cotto in his backyard, he would have earned an easy UD.

This guy has been more hype than substance. His daddy Arum shielded him from Money as far as he could. They both know that would've been a bloody massacre (ala Gatti/Money).

Cotto has no business at 154 unless its for a paper title which he notoriously has a reputation of picking up vacant titles. Regardless, Foremen is going to toy with Cotto and shock the boxing world. I'm just amazed at the amount of posters who fail to see this. Take the blinders off and analyze all of the facts that Cotto has been done and overhyped for a long time now.
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Are you Fitzgeraldz in disguise??? :huh

Surely there isn't another member of this forum capable of such abnormal levels of ******ation?

horst, Mar 7, 2010

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