Sumbu Kalambay vs. James Toney at MW

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  1. KOTF

    KOTF Bingooo Full Member

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  2. Sweet Pea

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    Kalambay was all wrong for Toney. I figure he'd take a pretty comfy decision.
     
  3. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's not out of the question that Kalambay could box to a decision, but if James Toney could wear down Nunn with his tenacity, I can see him doing the same to Sumbu.
     
  4. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is how I see it. Slick boxers are the antidote to James - if they are good enough, Kalambay is.
     
  5. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Toney beat plenty of slicker faster boxers and would sometimes brutalise them if you look at the Nunn and Littles fights. Then there are the close McCallum/Johnson fights

    Kalambay beat and lost to McCallum, but Toney is a different proposition as hes a better jab slipper, better counter puncher, faster, and hits harder. His sneaky sharp right hand would also be an effective weapon against a jabber. Kalambay would look to circle and jab, Toney would look to throw the counter right and slow Kalambay down to the body

    I'm torn over the end result, I can see it being a close decision, that would depend if you prefer lots of jabs or clean hard power shots and bodyshots. OR Toney takes him out at some stage after breaking him down. Kalambays chin has some question marks due to his Nunn loss

    I'm leanng towards a Toney KO
     
  7. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I like Kalambay in this. Footwork fight and he's not the type to load up on shots and is content to circle and box. I think he turns Toney in there & gets the decision.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Was Kalambay jobbed against Kalule, I remember someone posted it was a bad decision someone else said it was fair
     
  9. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    I think McCallum actually matched up better, as he had a steady jab to fall back on, and a very consistent workrate.Two key areas that are always key against great finesse fighters/defensive specialists.Kalambay equals or trumps Toney in most of the technical areas where he usually held advantages and could fight out of a comfort zone from, countering from opponents mistake material.

    looking to counter with patient right hands against a guy who makes so little mistakes defensively and is a superior conventional pure boxer is suicide, especially someone like Toney who falls behind on footwork and likes to hold ringcentre, from a flatfooted stance.

    And i don't see Toney using his youth and strength to outmuscle and bully kalambay the way he did in the 2nd half of the fight to an aging McCallum, or may have done had he and kalambay fought in the early nineties.This is a much more even physical contest best against best
     
  10. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    I've been going to put it up on youtube, but haven't got around to it yet.

    Don't think there is enough people who have watached it to come to some sort of consensus, but myself and bull both thought kalambay won relatively clearly on points,albeit in a generally very competitive fight.

    You might be thinking of Woller(haven't seen him post in ages sadly), who started a thread having it wide,about 8 points to Kalule.That seemed to get one or two posters interested in the fight, sweet scored it a draw if i remember correctly and i thnk someone else had kalule winning by a point.

    I was actually quite pleased that some people thought kalule had done enough to earn the win to be honest, as he's much more of a favourite of mine than kalambay, and still consistantly underrated.

    I don't think there's much to take from it in this discussion though.Kalambay had a slightly different style, more of a Buchanan/Famechon'esque approach at that point,extremely quick and mobile and it was by no means a bad performance, though too conservative considering the flaws of the fighter in front of him.But that's me using hindsight there.


    Kalule was a beast against fighters that let him dictate the pace weren't too aggressive, or just tried to out-finesse him.
     
  11. Sweet Pea

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    Do you have a Youtube account, lora? If so, get it to me whenever you can, please. I'd very much like to see these uploads.
     
  12. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Not yet.I'm a lazy *******.

    I'll get some stuff up soon though.