Heavyweights in P4P?

Well, guess Paul Williams is automatically not worthy of any P4P consideration then.

 

Why?

He's just tall. He is capable of fighting within a set weight class. He weighs the same as his opponents.

Wlad and Vitali's success stems from their height, build and the allowance to weigh whatever they like - this counts against them P4P.

 

Vitali has been outweighed by 4 of his last 8 opponents and 3 of the other 4 were within 10 pounds. Gomez is the only opponent in his last eight that he significantly outweighed.

 

Arreola, Williams and Peter are just very indisciplined, they shouldn't be outweighing Vitali.

Fighting fatties doesn't prove his P4P credentials.


The main point is, if Wlad and Vitali were 6ft 3 and 220 pounds, Adamek and Haye would crush them. Guys like Chambers, Povetkin etc would outbox them.

 

There's no possible way to know this. If you somehow shrank them overnight and then put them on the ring, then that would probably happen. But, if you expanded Manny Pacquiao overnight to 6'7 and 240 pounds, then he would get pounded by either Klitschko. That would happen to any boxer if you could somehow magically significantly change their body structure. If, though, Wlad had always been 6'3 and 220 pounds, then you have no possible way of knowing what he'd be like as a fighter. His whole development would have been different.

Fortunately, neither of those are the intention of P4P analysis.

 

lb4lb is all about skill and the heavies clearly lack in that department. it is sad when the only skill fighter in the division is an over the hill, over weight super middleweight . . . send the lot back to the drawing board and then maybe they will crack the top ten.

 

what do you mean their boxing skills arent good enough?they have great skill.vitali won silver at the '95 world boxing championships and wlad won gold at the '96 olympics.their both world champions because of their size and technical boxing abilities.Have you actually seen them box?

 

Wlad's success stems from the fact his reach and size stop people from hitting his chin.

If he was a normal size, his chin would be checked in every fight and he'd hit the deck.

 

Again, statement of a 'fact' that you can't possibly know, and not relevant.

Did you refuse to rank Roy Jones in his prime because his reflexes stopped people from hitting his chin?

 

No, because reflexes aren't relevant to a P4P debate. Size is.

 

And the K's DON'T dominate the division?

:think

 

Both are physical attributes that go to make up a fighters strengths/weaknesses. As are speed, punching power, etc.

If you think P4P is simply the removal of one attribute, then that explains why you aren't really making sense.

 

Worth pointing out here that the Klitschkos are not one person...

 

The clue is in the title. POUND for POUND. If each fighter was the same size.....hence why you can't really rank somebody from an open weight class in P4P rankings.

 

'If each fighter was the same size' is the part that makes no sense.

They aren't the same size and if they were they would be completely different fighters. How fast would Wlad be if he were a welterweight? How tall would he be? How hard would he hit? How fast would Pacquiao be if he were actually a 6'5 heavyweight? How hard would he hit? You can't answer any of those questions, hence the fact that the question makes no sense.

P4P simply means comparing the achievements and relative (to their division) strengths and weaknesses of fighters of different weights in order to make value judgements about their relative standings. It's very subjective by it's very nature. It doesn't mean 'who would win if they were the same size' because that's a nonsensical notion.