Erik Morales vs. Naseem Hamed

Gooootcha then.

 

You have no clue about what you're talking about and I doubt you've watched more than 2 Hamed fights, if so list them

At his best Hamed was very hard to hit, his radar was excellent, he was a great conter puncher, very fast, had he ability to land shots he had no right to land and excellent ccurate brutal punching

As for having no heart are you seriously trying to own yourself here?

As for the implication he was picking on small guys, more self ownage there, he moved up from Bantamweight and his first world title was his first FW fight

Just admit you know **** all about the man and **** off

 

How many times was Hamed on the deck smart guy? Was that from great defense?
He was small short guy but he punched like a junior welterweight.
I watched all his fights.

 

You're such a great guy.

 

Pre-Kelly bouts werent shown in the US, he fought more like a hard punching Herol Graham, much more movement/head movement, his reflexs/radar was excellent and it really did seem to slip at a young age he changed into a flat footed brawler.

How can a man not have heart if he gets clocked clean/kd'ed and goes to war. But theres a reason Hamed was the biggest name below WW and that was because he went into exciting brutal shoot outs abandoning defense

 

Because him and Warren were fooling guys like you into thinking he was something he knew he really wasnt. As I said he showed heart against the smaller guys, but as soon as he was in there with a strong guy he folded up pretty badly.
He like Hatton and Calzahge after, were all fighters who wanted to prove themselves against the best fighters out there and were stuck with Warrens safe matchmaking. Hamed started fighting on Showtime and later moved to HBO, so many of his fights were shown in the US.. In the case of two of three of those guys, they were proven not to be the fighters that Warren fooled the public into thinking they were, and thats why Hamed retired. He knew his limitations. Bigger guys like Morales, and Mayweather who were trying to get a fight with him would have done the same thing Barrera did.
Take away his punching power and whats left, realistically? Say all you want about when he was younger, but as his competition improved he hit the deck a lot more often and a lot of those guys Kelley included were pretty spent fighters.
And BTW Gatti was a big name in boxing too, because he did the very same thing, but that didnt make him anymore of a great fighter.

 

I'm no Hamed fan, but i don't understand why you would imply he was feasting on smaller fighters.

He wasn't a big featherweight by any means.

 

Yeah but he punched like a welterweight and I didnt imply feasting, just had a large advantage over. Extreme power can offset boxing ability at times and vice versa.

 

The best didnt fight their best against him either. barrera completely adapted a safty first point scoring style just for hamed and the prince was running at only 50% for a while before that. Theres an argument barera would have got KOd had he fought his usual fight against even that depleated version of hamed. speculation? its speculation that barera beat the best hamed.

 

Yeah but thats not his fault at the same time, they used say that Benny Lynch hit as hard as a welterweight, so does he have to fight welterweights even though he is a flyweight,

not trying to cause an argument with you, I just think thats an unfair criticism,

 

No not at all, and thats not really what Im saying, but the flaws in Hamed were there. He was getting dropped by journeyman like Daniel Alicea a lot. You could see the holes in his defense. When he faced a good strong technically sound fighter in Barrera he was reduced to just a technically lost fighter who had nothing to fall back on no plan B. My point is, if he would have continued against comparable fighters like Barrera or even moved up to a heavier weight where his power wouldnt have been such a big factor, what would be left?

 

Oh ok I understand what you mean now.

 

Curious, what do people think is Hameds best win? Kelley maybe, a lot was taken out of Kelley by Cobrita Gonzalez in their war, and most of the other notables were pretty washed up.

Personally I would say Mcullough, but Wayne was never a big puncher, and never a solid feather either.

 

Kelley is probably the best fighter he beat, but the performance was terrible his power was what got him out of trouble in that fight.

so as far as performance goe's I'd say him against Steve Robinson or Enrique Angeles

 

I was a big Naz fan but had to choose Morales coz the Naz of 2001 was not commited enough to beat the top guys. However, a few years earlier and Naz would have taken it imo against either of the Mexican duo