klits fights bums.........this is horrid

There's such a double standard against the Klits that it ain't even funny. Reasons why Americans look down on them:

-Boring style
-They fight bums

Their style isn't any more of a snore than Bernard Hopkins' yet Bhop gets a free pass. When's the last time Bernard won by KO? It was six yrs ago, against a smaller DLH, whereas the Klits usually win by way of stoppage in the last 5-6 yrs.

Both of them have a better resume than Kelly Pavlik. I have yet to see them grace the top P4P list. Pavlik beats a somewhat overrated champ in Taylor once and he automatically shoots up as high as #7 on The Ring's list. Go figure. You can make an argument that Wlad has won against tougher competition than Mike Tyson. Tyson, considered one of the "All-Time Greats," with the exception of becoming youngest HW champ, hasn't done anything significant but KO a bunch of cans. So why doesn't he get criticized for that nearly as much as the Klits?? Is it because he's American?

Majority of people don't see the fact that the Klits make guys quit. If I kill you with a million razor blades it's just as effective as killing you with one shot to the head with a gun. If they have been winning by decision, I would concede to the criticism. They have been dominating and deserve much more credit for that. Manny Pac knocks out a paper champ in David Diaz and the world creams its pants over it. Yet when Vit punishes a very game, unbeaten Arreola everyone snores. Shame.

 

umm hell noatsch

 

You made some very good points. Though you must remember, Hopkins caliber of oppenents are much higher than say Wlad's. He also never lost to a complete nobody by knockout before either. Hopkins fought and beat a handful of future hall of famers and all together top notch oppenents. I can't think of any Wlad has even faced.

Tyson was one of the most exciting fighters and charasmatic fighters boxing has ever seen imo. Tyson almost always gave his fans a show. Wlad has been boring since being TKO'd by Brewster. The guy can't take a punch without having a panic attack or falling several times. Not to mention, his personality is bland to say the least. Tyson beat a legend in Holmes and a great fighter in Spinks, that beats anyone Wlad ever defeated.

 

It seems you have problems with Hopkins, Pavlik and Tyson but nobody else is allowed to have a problem with the Klitschkos.

Also, Hopkins, Tyson and Pac have beaten fighters that (P4P) would annihilate any opposition the Klitschkos have faced.

 

You're only taking the big names of the 90s.. What about Mercer, biggs, Morrison, Foreman, Moore, Tua, and Douglas? All these fighters are GOOD fighters.
And you forgot that Holyfield gave fights to bowe in ALL 3 fights. Bowe is younger then holyfield however so i don't really care.

 

I think a lot of posters here who don't like the Klitschkos will miss them when they are gone

 

Sosnowski is getting 1 million for this fight.

 

In a way your right. When Wlad's gone, I will have noone left to really hate. Seeing Wlad knocked out again is yet again my birthday wish this year, and has been for the last 3 years or so.

 

Thats pretty shocking he's actually getting that much. Though I guess it really works out for Vitali then. He's paying him less than double what he was going to give Valuev and he's a easier oppenent, Vitali wins in the end.

 

Dont exagerate. Even though Hopkins resume is much better than Wlads, he also faced a lot of bums, people like Robert Allen 3x. And those future Hall of famers were coming from lower weights. Thats like praising Wlad for beating Chad Dawson.

 

How am I exagerating? Facts are facts. Wlad beating Dawson is one hell of an exageration. Dawson usually comes in at around 175, and Wlad around 245. Bernard fought a few guys from lower weight classes, but he also faced the likes of Tarver and Calzaghe as well. He went where the money was at, it's as simple as that.

 

Getting knocked out by a complete nobody? Manny Pacquiao has not only been a victim of that once but twice.

Boxing is a show, a form of entertainment. People itch to see knockouts and the Klits have been doing just that. It might not be the type of knockouts people have seen at the hands of Mike Tyson but I find it ridiculous to overlook the fact that guys like Arreola and Peter have been made to quit on their stool. It's really not either of the Klits' fault if there have been a shortage of HOF boxers in their division. They go out and get the job done. A weathered Hall of Famer like Holmes at the age of 39 would equate to a young, strong, skillful fighter like Arreola in my opinion.

As for Tyson's accomplishments, Holmes was on his way out. I give full credit to Mike for beating Spinks. Wlad has beaten Byrd, a prime Peter and took out a number of strong, unbeaten prospects. He also has a higher KO percentage than Tyson. I'm not necessarily saying he's far better than Tyson, but in my eyes it's arguable. I don't even want to get into the personality issue. Manny Pac hardly speaks any English and he's still on top of the world. The Klits don't boast or brag like Floyd Mayweather yet Americans put them all in the same category of least likable fighters.

 

Hops was also ranked very, very early on when he had accomplished significantly less than more deserving fighters.

How early? He rang in at #9 in the Ring's top 10 list from October 1999. Take a look at what he'd done to get there, and it's awfully hard to say that location and demographics didn't play a pretty big part in that given what it takes for non-American and non-Latin fighters to crack that list.

 

Holmes was not finished after being knocked out by Tyson. He would go on to have a pretty close competitive match with Holyfield in 91, as well as beat a prime Ray Mercer.

Neither Bryd or Peter will find themselves in the hall of fame. Bryd is a shrimp compared to Wlad. As a big Peter fan, I must say he's nothing special. Just powerful with a chin. By the way, Wlad looked like **** in that fight with Peter. He looked fragile and scared half of the fight. Peters inexperience lost him that fight.

 

That fight would've been between the tallest combined height for the Heavyweight title. That alone counts for something. That and Vitali is used to being the bigger man in the ring and that wouldn't be the case by a longshot. Add to that the fact that VK might very well have been the first to KO the Giant.