I'm sorry but Cotto is not the warrior fans make him out to be.

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  1. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Quite often? :patsch Another one....great...
     
  2. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're a ****wit.
     
  3. elTerrible

    elTerrible TeamElite General Manager Full Member

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    He ran from clottey the last rounds but somehow they say cotto won those by doing nothing and that made him a brave warrior. yeah whatever
     
  4. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Ya im not going to address the Pac fight because theres not much to say there, he was getting beat up and went into survival mode. Thats about it...

    I have a question though (not aimed at you in particular, just throwing it out there), why is 'not quitting' a sign of maturity? maybe it actually takes a mature person to know when they have enough? Some actually think it a bit juvenile and foolish to fight to braindamage for the sake of pride. (i am not one of them lol)

    but anyways i suppose i know what your saying, and perhaps you are right.... i just feel more for cotto who had nothing left to give and had absorbed about 240 power punches and had done everything in his power to win and knew he had nothing left and could hardly defend himself then Ortiz who surrendered in the 6th and took about 25% of the beating. (he took about 65 punches throughout) Again, they both had different circumstances and i completely understand that, ortiz is young and maidana may not have landed as much as margarito but what he was landing was rocking the crap out of him, and he had been down and he was cut, but my own personal belief is (and im not gonna blast ortiz for it, its simply my belief) is i like to see fighters continue as long as they have fight left, i think Ortiz had fight left, i dont think Cotto had any. Thats the only way i can describe it.

    At any rate, i know what your saying and i agree to a certain extent given ortiz's age, experience and also hey, lets be real, ortiz was getting rocked in there. But thats why i dont hold it against him eather. Its a fighters right to quit, and although to me a fighter like Vargas or Corrales hold special rank as a fan due to their unrelenting spirit, heart and will.... im not going to label every fighter a quitter for having known when they have enough.


    As for why Cotto gets a pass, i think its slightly the same reason guys like KT and Morales get passes as well, and other high level fighters. They have been there and done that before, they have shown they can handle adversity and shown their heart time in and time out, and when it came time that it reached its end or they felt like it better to surrender then continue, it is seen in a way more acceptable then someone with lesser standing and who hasnt quite proven themselves as much. Just my take on it at least.... which is why you dont see many people going around calling Morales, one of the hardest warriors of boxing recently, a quitter for doing so against Pac.

    Just IMO
     
  5. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    NO, I said:

    Do you see "tougher" anywhere??


    You've got a smart mouth, IDIOT. Cotto effectively withstood more than Cotto could withstand in that fight. Try ACTUALLY WATCHING it again and you'll know what the **** I'm talking about.

    My reference was specifically aimed at the MARGARITO FIGHT and the KNEES. READ IT AGAIN. Cotto was very brave in the Margarito fight, largely because of his psychology as an undefeated fighter.

    Think I don't know about this subject?? CLUE IN:

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184853&highlight=cotto+warrior
     
  6. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Not only is this FOOL contradicting himself, he's speaking complete nonsense.
     
  7. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just to answer this question:
    If a fighter says he's done, he's done. That's my opinion. It's his choice to make, and I wouldn't question it. But I think a young fighter is more apt to make that choice because he isn't quite sure where his limits are yet, and may not have the experience necessary to survive the fight and regroup. That's the kind of think that most fighters learn gradually, as they go.
     
  8. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Fair enough, i can def see that. :thumbsup
     
  9. pound

    pound Coqui Radar Full Member

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    what a stupid mafaka!
     
  10. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    who the **** are you then?
     
  11. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sorry, but where did you get this information from? Did you have tests run on him? Have you carefully calculated how much he could withstand using excel spreadsheets and an abacus?

    He got beat up. He took the same type of beating hundreds of boxers a year take, from journeymen to champions. He didn't suffer long term effects. He wasn't rendered unconscious, which is obviously the point at which a person has actually surpassed their own limits of tolerance.

    He was simply tired of getting beat and put a knee down for his own health. He said as much:

    "I think in my case it was harder to put a knee down, like you said I didn’t have a loss in my record and to lose this way it was difficult for me, but I want health and I want to see my children grow up and that's what matters."

    If you're not talking about his whether or not the guy has the mental fortitude to withstand abuse (hey, perhaps toughness would be a great synonym for that) then I'm not even sure why you're here. You keep getting off on these random non-sequitors, talking about how he relates to some portion of the general population as if that's relevant. The general population isn't paid to take abuse. You wouldn't expect it of them.
     
  12. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's gone into survival mode against Margarito, Clottey, and Pacquiao. Against one he took a knee (twice). Against the other two he simply ran at the end of the fight when he had no other answers. That's often enough, considering those are three of his four biggest fights.
     
  13. pound

    pound Coqui Radar Full Member

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    Why isn't something done about it then? Is there any dignity to this forum at all? Someone could have posted the best thread in history but no one would read it because of threads like this one. Pathetic :deal
     
  14. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Wait... So YOU are going to tell ME what I mean?? You're going to tell me my chosen CONTEXT when it is YOU who is contradicting himself?? Let me enlighten you. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A PROFESSIONAL FIGHTER TO HAVE MENTAL FORTITUDE. That's what you have effectively attempted to claim. The opposite. That's GENERIC, dude. PURELY. And asbolutely BORING and STUPID to go on top of that.

    The rest of your post exposes how little you genuinely know about Miguel Cotto as a fighter. Especially this. ^ QUITE SIMPLY. I've watched ALL his ****ing fights. I've seen him rocked, wobbled, and retreating ALL those occassions. THAT'S HOW. From N'dou to Pacquiao. HAVE YOU?? NO. Clearly not.
     
  15. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    cotto is a better fighter than we thought fighting every fight with jacory harris hanging off his genitalia. pretty amazing