I'm sorry but Cotto is not the warrior fans make him out to be.

Cotto is an elite boxer.

 

Clottey is a better fighter than those guys. Pretty simple. As important, however, is that Miguel couldn't just walk through Clottey. He's struggled any time he could not overpower the other fighter. That's when he turns into the tentative Cotto that we saw later in the fights against Margo, Clottey and Pac.

Mosley is by far Cotto's most impressive fight because despite his inability to break Shane down he never resorted to running or attempting not to engage.

Also, speaking of Malignaggi, I submit that he is more of a warrior than Cotto.

 

He did run in the later rounds against Mosley.

 

Neither fighter did the wrong thing in the ring. Ortiz is a ***** because he said afterwards in the POST FIGHT INTERVIEW...

"I don't deserve to get beat up like this...**** boxing"?? :huhroll:

Whereas Cotto fought his heart out and was simply outgunned in both fights and after the battle was done he simply said...This isn't the last of Miguel Cotto.

If you want to know where the "pass", as you so ignorantly call it comes from, it's because even suffering a devastating loss...he still keeps his head up as a warrior and says he'll give boxing another go.


With that being said...I think Ortiz is just a young guy who had an emotional outburst just like Clottey ("They robbed me. I quit boxing" :roll and from this experience he learned the harsh lessons and reality of what it means to actually BE a boxer and the consequences of this profession. And I do not hold it against him. I'm still a huge fan.



AND! I might add...Ortiz is Mexican. Mexican standards for "heart" or warrior spirit are far higher than most because of men like JCC or Morales (who quit against Pacquiao as well I might add). Puerto Ricans are a bit more lenient when it comes to that. He might not be Trinidad, but he's a far cry from Camacho.

 

He fought more defensively, but he was still popping that counter right and mixing it up some. It wasn't jab, jab, back across the ring.

 

According to you, YEAH. THAT'S WHY YOU BROUGHT IT UP. :roll:

 

I pretty much agree. I've said many a time that I think Cotto is tough as ****, but he doesn't belong on that exalted pedestal like a Gatti, or Holyfield, or even a Urango, guys who would literally die before they quit in the ring. I don't begrudge Cotto the fact that he recognizes his limits and has no desire to go beyond them and risk his life.

 

No man he did run I hate to admit but he did. Yes there were times he would go back to engaging but he did run esp. at times at the end of the 11th round and 12th rounds.

 

You're actually mentally deficient:

A professional boxer is tougher than the average person. That is ALL I said. Does that imply that you must be a professional boxer to be mentally tough?

I stated the former. You incorrectly INFERRED the latter, which does not follow logically, any more than it follows that you must be an accountant to be good at math.

 

TBH I have tried to like Cotto, I give him credit for Fighting some really top opponents but Cotto has overreached in his career, his success is much greater than his boxing potential and skill. I think he should be grateful to Arum for the perfect hype job he has done. Cotto started to lose when they put him with the very elite. Cotto at best is a A- fighter who beat B and C level fighters and when they put him with A level fighters he gets KO. He is lucky he never faced Floyd I see him getting KOed silly like Hatton. Cotto attraction by fans is something I dont understand, his speed at best is above average same for his skills. I guess he is popular becos his has a Nation behind him.

 

Cotto is a warroir who just got damage good by 2 cheater + his father died. Give the guy a break FFS

 

NAH, bud. You're a ****ing moron. BACKTRACKING like a mother****er. Must be a prideful moron.

Remember, you're the genius who felt the need to point all this out in the first place. Funny thing is you immediately reversed yourself and tried to agree with me. At this point you keep trying to make my point for me... Why, I have no ****ing idea. Must be an obsession of yours to sound like you know what the **** you're talking about - which is where we started. :rofl

 

If you are going to be fair, then you'd see Clottey really hasn't done more to warrant "big fight" then the other guys I listed. You choose him because it "fits your bill". Nothing more.

Man...in regards to your comment on the Mosley fight, you still try and find a way to downplay Cotto. Inability to break him down? :huh

 

Clearly you've never strapped on a pair of gloves...fought the absolute best fight you can give and ended up on the downside of a beating.

When you do...bump this thread and re-read what you said. You are naive. Ignorant. Pompous.

Understand that sometimes...when you're just being outgunned, the man in front of you may not possess enough punching power to KO you...but certainly enough to tire you out, wither you of your wits, and quite simply put you to a knee.

God forbid a day ever comes when you come to empathize with Cotto...then you'll be the one defending him on these boards and redefining what it means to be a warrior.

 

I've never agreed with you. I don't even know what point you're trying to make. STILL.

You claimed that I said "You must be a professional boxer to have mental fortitude (toughness)". I asked you to find where I said that. You didn't. You found a statement of mine that said that a professional boxer will have more mental toughness than the average person. These two statements are not the same. You seem to think they are, probably because you don't understand the rules of logical implication.

So again, find where I said that only professional boxers are mentally tough or just shut the **** up and let it die. You're wrong, we both know it, so just let it die.