James Toney: "Vitali is a *****"

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  1. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Once again, Toney reached out his air for frustration:

    "Klitschko made a partial agreement with Dan Goossen and Shelly Finkel said if the fight with Valuev fell through they we were going to be in line for the fight"

    "They are letting these dudes get away with fighting bums and they ain't saying nothing. I have never heard of this guy (the Polish fighter)"

    Toney got a point. He is a guy who was never afraid to fight anybody, went from middleweight to heavyweight, and at 41 in the octagon. There is no way the Polish fighter is a more attractive or credible opponent than Toney so the point is why does Vitali fight him then?Make up your won mind...
     
  2. maverock

    maverock Active Member Full Member

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    The Polish dude is much easier to sell tickets with (in Germany) than a 41 year old 5"9 James Toney.
     
  3. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not true. In a published article Dan Goossen said that the German TV RTL was very interested in the deal and was of the opinion that the fight would sell good.
     
  4. lefthandlead

    lefthandlead Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    toney is a cheat... and pasted his prime.. the polish fighter is atleast a real heavyweight.
     
  5. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    toney is way to old and fat right now, he would never get in shape for the fight, and it would be a boring fight, because vitali won't knock toney out, because toney would only survive, we would have vitali against kevin johnson again. sosnowski is not worth to fight for the world champion belt, but i think vitali wants a nice fast ko, so he took sosnowski.
    and right now, even sosnowski is better than toney.
     
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  7. maverock

    maverock Active Member Full Member

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    You didn't read the articles properly. RTL were INITIALLY interested, then much less enthused about Toney after they saw how appalled viewers were after Vitali's onesided beatdown of Johnson.

    Trust me, it is very hard to sell a 41 year old, 5"9 ex-middle weight champ to challenge Vitali for the WBC belt.

    I read on a German forum that K2 found a Polish promoter that guaranteed to sell 10,000 tickets just to Polish fans. That's something. But what would Toney bring to the table? Nothing:

    * Toney holds no belts
    * Toney holds very little fame at this point, Vitali gains nothing from beating him (just like the Polish dude)
    * Toney wouldn't bring the interest of HBO or any other US TV station that would generate additional income
    * Toney would bring very few to zero (US) fans to the fight, again generating no extra income for the fight

    So why Toney? I don't get it. Actually, to the rational observer Toney makes no sense whatsoever. Neither from a boxing nor from a business point of view. At least that Polish bum will generate some Polish ticket sales.
     
  8. maverock

    maverock Active Member Full Member

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    Here's a direct comparison for the fight poster. Again, who would generate more attention to the casual box fan who is thinking to dish out 50 EUR to pay for a ticket in Europe?

    An overweight, over the hill 5"9 old American:
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    Or an in-shape, 31 year old, 6"2 European Champ:
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    LOL! Who's easier to market in Europe?
     
  9. hopkinsfan07

    hopkinsfan07 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Europe loves seeing there Heavys smash USA's "Legends"
     
  10. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't believe that, that is a lie. HBO agreed to televise Toney-Vitali because Toney is still a big name in the US. My source is the scene that presents boxing.

    So it makes more sense to fight an unkown, unmarketable (at least on the US) fighter with a completely
    uimpressive record than an ATG. Toney weighs 225 right now and weighed 217 in his last fight. I am sorry but
    you can't be serious.
     
  11. Maxime

    Maxime Sweet Science Full Member

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    Toney hasn't defeated a legitimate opponent since Vassiliy Jirov 7 years ago.

    Who gives a **** about what he thinks?
     
  12. maverock

    maverock Active Member Full Member

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    Eddie Chambers is not going to be televised in the US, not even on ESPN. Think about it the cream of the crop of US HW boxing can't stir up any interest by the TV networks. And you're telling us Toney has HBO support? Please. This is not 2005 anymore, when Toney had some pulling power.

    The sad truth is: HBO has zero interest in Toney. Neither do other US stations. Toney wouldn't generate a single dollar in US TV income if Vitali fought him.
     
  13. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :deal Basically, JT hasn't done **** as a HW. At this point, all he has left are his insults. And this time, only some obscure boxing websites are listening. Quite sad.
     
  14. Farmboxer

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    A fight with Toney would be a joke, plus, Toney would get knocked out and badly hurt. I would give toney zero chance, period.
     
  15. hopkinsfan07

    hopkinsfan07 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Was Haye-Valuev shown in the US???