Floyd Patterson: Head to Head

djanders · Mar 11, 2010

I'm not hung up on this 200+ pounds thing that most guys seem to be hung up on today. This is boxing, not weightlifting, we are talking about. Understand that this lack of awe for size over about 180 pounds is coming from a very large man, well over 200 pounds since about age 14, and I am still not in bad shape...even at my advanced age.

Personally, I would say Floyd should be the favorite against anyone in this group.

sugarsean · Mar 11, 2010

bodhi said: ↑

:-(

Patterson was stopped by 3 fighters, 5 times.

Ingemar Johannson - A Top100 all-time p4p puncher, according to the ring, who also had a size advantage. Patterson was not completly out, he also came back to beat Ingo twice.
Sonny Liston twice - A Top15 of all time hw and a Top15 of all time puncher, according to the ring, who also had a stylistic and size advantage. Patterson finished on his feet both times.
Muhammad Ali twice - a Top2 hw of all-time who had a size advantage. Patterson was not hurt when stopped but was stopped due to accumulation of punches and cuts, if I remember right. He also was ahead on the score cards in the second fight before beeing stopped.

So, of his three stoppages only three qualify as being due to chin issues. Against these guys it's hardly a shame. Dempsey never get's called having a fragile chin despite being knocked out by the far inferior Flynn.

Patterson was knocked down 18 times in his career. Often by inferior opposition. Never past the 4th round. This is due to him having some kind of stage fever. He needed some time to overcome this nervousness in the beginning but when he got going he never was knocked down. Another reason of him getting knocked down is his style, he was often off-balance due to his style and his opponents profited of that.

He had not the best chin but it was hardly of glass or fragile. It was average or decent for a hw.

On topic:
The best chances beating Patterson have Ruddock, Tua and Witherspoon imo. The rest get's beaten clearly. None of the three is a save pick over Floyd, he is certainly able to beat all three in in an trilogy I would pick him to come out on top over all of them. Best case: 9-0. Worst case: 6-3.
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your the first person that I've ever heard say that Patterson had a decent chin.

ironchamp · Mar 11, 2010

djanders said: ↑

I'm not hung up on this 200+ pounds thing that most guys seem to be hung up on today. This is boxing, not weightlifting, we are talking about. Understand that this lack of awe for size over about 180 pounds is coming from a very large man, well over 200 pounds since about age 14, and I am still not in bad shape...even at my advanced age.

Personally, I would say Floyd should be the favorite against anyone in this group.
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I personally wouldn't favor him over:

Tua, Ruddock or Witherspoon. I think those 3 are the clear favorites above. Legacy wise they simply can't compare and p4p Floyd is a better fighter than any of these but after watching a few of Patterson fights looking for a reason to give him the edge. I couldn't find any. Frankly the result I expect would be KO loss from all 3 fighters.

Even money fights IMO are:

Morrison, Shavers, Lyle and Weaver. They are all about as reliable as an American Car. But given the disparity in size and their more than respectable power this makes it a 50/50 proposition which is more than generous for Patterson.

Morrison starts too fast, hits real hard has good speed and can get up off the floor to win. I give him the edge, but his chin is the only reason why its a pick em fight. Otherwise he'd be a clear favorite.

Shavers's right hand is a major concern. While Patterson can certainly get to him early, I tend to think that a flush right hand would do the trick. And considering how Holmes, Ali (albeit an older version) and Norton were all tagged at one point, I find it hard to believe Patterson can evade it all night. It is possible and the tables can turn but this is a pick'em fight and that's giving Floyd the benefit of the doubt.

Both Weaver and Lyle pack dynamite. Their equalizer is only a punch away. Can't discount them.

Bruno and Briggs are the only fighters I'd feel comfortable picking Patterson over and even then come fight time I'd be nervous.

His record against that lot would be 4-5 IMO.

djanders · Mar 11, 2010

sugarsean said: ↑

your the first person that I've ever heard say that Patterson had a decent chin.
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Good! That means I can be the second. Floyd had a decent chin.

bodhi · Mar 12, 2010

sugarsean said: ↑

your the first person that I've ever heard say that Patterson had a decent chin.
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Good, so I am in the same mold as Neil Armstrong! Quite a compliment, thanks. :good

mcvey · Mar 12, 2010

bodhi said: ↑

:-(

Patterson was stopped by 3 fighters, 5 times.

Ingemar Johannson - A Top100 all-time p4p puncher, according to the ring, who also had a size advantage. Patterson was not completly out, he also came back to beat Ingo twice.
Sonny Liston twice - A Top15 of all time hw and a Top15 of all time puncher, according to the ring, who also had a stylistic and size advantage. Patterson finished on his feet both times.
Muhammad Ali twice - a Top2 hw of all-time who had a size advantage. Patterson was not hurt when stopped but was stopped due to accumulation of punches and cuts, if I remember right. He also was ahead on the score cards in the second fight before beeing stopped.

So, of his three stoppages only three qualify as being due to chin issues. Against these guys it's hardly a shame. Dempsey never get's called having a fragile chin despite being knocked out by the far inferior Flynn.

Patterson was knocked down 18 times in his career. Often by inferior opposition. Never past the 4th round. This is due to him having some kind of stage fever. He needed some time to overcome this nervousness in the beginning but when he got going he never was knocked down. Another reason of him getting knocked down is his style, he was often off-balance due to his style and his opponents profited of that.

He had not the best chin but it was hardly of glass or fragile. It was average or decent for a hw.

On topic:
The best chances beating Patterson have Ruddock, Tua and Witherspoon imo. The rest get's beaten clearly. None of the three is a save pick over Floyd, he is certainly able to beat all three in in an trilogy I would pick him to come out on top over all of them. Best case: 9-0. Worst case: 6-3.
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I like Floyd ,but he was definitely behind at the time of the stoppage.

red cobra · Mar 12, 2010

frankenfrank said: ↑

well , patterson was also crushed by ali twice
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Crushed? Not exactly..he was tortured in a sustained beating by Ali in '65, but not exactly crushed...a flurry of pitty-pat punches put the back-injured, physically outsized Patterson down briefly in the 6th for his only trip to the canvas, and Floyd was clearly hobbled by a back injury..he wasn't at this best..though he would have lost anyway even if he was. The rematch went somewhat better for Floyd, but it was an eye injury tko...not a "crushing" either.

OBCboxer · Mar 12, 2010

Patterson can beat them all. I voted for him to be undefeated against these fighters but he can easily lose to Bruno, Witherspoon and Ruddock.

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