Kelly Pavlik Will Knock Sergio Martinez Out, and Here's Why.

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  1. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    As an amatuer Pavlik amassed a record of 89-9, won multiple national titles, and made the Olympic Trials at a mere 17 years of age. He was eventually eliminated by Jermain Taylor. JT went on to win a bronze medal in the 2000 Olympics, and Pavlik signed with Top Rank and fought his first pro fight that year.

    The experience gap between Pavlik and Martinez is to enormous to ignore. Pavlik won his first national title at 147 right around the same time Martinez started boxing!

    The first time Martinez tried to take a step up in class he got obliterated by Margarito, and then all but disappeared for nearly 9 years. The first time Pavlik stepped up in class he scored consecutive stoppage wins over Zuniga, McKart, Zertuche, Miranda, and Jermain Taylor. Sergio's big claims to fame consist of a controversial draw with Cintron, and a loss to Williams; both of whom are natural welterweights. Pavlik ran right over two guys who were the biggest and best middleweights in the world at fight time. The difference in experience and class between these two ought to be obvious.

    Various threads on ESB, and many interent articles make it clear that the difference is not obvious to most people, so I hope to help a few people shed their blinders, and take a realistic look at the upcoming Pavlik/Martinez fight.

    The first and most obvious thing is Martinez's general lack of sound fundamentals. For example he does not keep his hands up or place his hands in a proper defensive position when he is under attack and getting tagged. Pavlik will attack, and Martinez will get tagged.

    On the same note, Martinez does occassioanally keep his hands up near his chin, but he often drops them while he is still in his opponents effective firing range, and gets hit. That is definitely not a good idea when Pavlik is your opponent.

    The idea that such a highly regarded fighter makes the mistakes I've seen Martinez make is actually a bit shocking. His jab is often almost humorous. He frequently sticks his right hand out in the middle of nowhere, and just sort of waves it around aimlessly, and then he paws, pushes, and telegraphs his jab. This leaves Martinez with little means of keeping Pavlik off of him. It also presents one more opportunity for Pavlik to hit Martinez with right hand bombs.

    And speaking of right hands, Martinez leaves himself open to hard right hands so much of the time one has to wonder if he even knows how to defend against a good right hand. If Cintron and Williams can blast Martinez with right hands, trust me, Pavlik will hit him more times with bigger right hands.

    Martinez spends so much time show boating and taunting his opponents that I honestly believe that taking away his ability to do that would take him way out of his comfort zone. Pavlik will stay right in Sergio's grill, force him to fight, and force him to keep his hands up, or get blasted.

    Martinez loves to rush in and throw a lead left. However, he tends to telegrah what he is doing, and he comes straight in. If he does that against Pavlik, he'll get caught with a really brutal jab/right-hand nearly everytime.

    In my opinion Sergio's best punch is his right hook. However, he does not do a great job of setting it up. He usually just rushes in with his face hanging out, and throws. This is a very predictable pattern. If Martinez is coming in from your left side, he will throw a right hook. Look for KP to take one short step to his own right, throw a short overhand right followed by a left uppercut, and then take a step back and hit a stunned Martinez with a good 1-2. I hate to be so specific in this type of post, but I honestly believe this might be the show stopper.

    Martinez spends a god awful amount of time circling the wrong way. For a guy who is proned to getting hit with right hands circling directly into a Pavlik lead right is probably a very bad idea.

    Pavlik's flaws have been cussed and discussed on ESB ad nauseum. Most people seem to literally have blinders on when it comes to Martinez's flaws. They are many, and they are the kind of flaws that get fighters knocked the **** out by Kelly Pavlik. The round depends a great deal on how aggressive Martinez is. If he is as aggresive as he was with Cintron and/or Williams, he won't see the end of eight.
     
  2. WatchfortheHook

    WatchfortheHook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well good thing we have Kelly Pavlik's childhood experience at age 9 in this post. Why didn't you put this in one of the other 5 or so threads regarding the Pavlik/Martinez matchup?
     
  3. aceshigh

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  4. FromWithin

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    Can't wait to bump this thread when Pavlik will get schooled.
     
  5. Thom

    Thom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  6. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Since you so clearly have issues with reading comprehension, let me see if I can make it simpler for you. Pavlik started boxing at 9 years of age and was winning national titles by the time Martinez fought his first fight ever. Pavlik has ten times the experience Martinez has. Is that clear enough, or do I need to dumb it down a bit more?
     
  7. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    It's not certain that PAVLIK WILL knock him out but it is likely. If I were you I'd change the title because UNLESS MARTINEZ SCHOOLS HIM then you'll be forever embarrased because of this thread. I'm tryna save ya dude!!!
     
  8. WatchfortheHook

    WatchfortheHook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Relax, I'm being sarcastic.. I got the point from the whole article. It just humored me a bit simply because the your point was valid from the Zertuche, Miranda,etc, that it seemed out of place.
     
  9. PFG

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    Thing with Pavlik, he's a one dimensional fighter. It's not like the Paul Williams fight were Martinez was faced with a full arsenal of pretty heavy artilery.

    If Martinez avoids that right hand, he wins this easily. It's a big if though, very big, especially considering the fact that, for all his stamina, Martinez does fade later on in fights. Pavlik doesn't.

    See two possible outcomes, Martinez by decision or KP by knock out.
     
  10. WatchfortheHook

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    He is pretty one-dimensional but he's been efficient throughout his career sans the Hopkins fight. I've posted in the several other Pavlik/Martinez threads that this goes 10 rounds and Pavlik takes it by T/KO. As booradley has written, Sergio does keep his hands low a lot, its compounded by the problem that he doesn't roll the punches very well when they get to him. I think Martinez takes several of the early rounds slipping the straights and countering then moving. Martinez will likely fade under the pressure down the stretch and he'll get caught at some point in a flurry.
     
  11. LOL! By round four Pavlik will wish he was back in the ring with Gary Lockett. Styles make fights and Sergio is all wrong for him.
     
  12. Atlanta

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    tl;dr

    Anyways, wonder what the excuse will be once Martinez beats him or makes him look bad. "oh, my hand it hurts again, I'm sick!! yeah that's it. I'm sick, so this doesn't count, just like the Bhop fight"
     
  13. Executioner

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    this would be a huge hit to pavliks career if martinez beats him, which is very unlikely imo.
     
  14. PFG

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    Thing is, Martinez has shown to be able to addapt. I mean... Paul Williams' style was all wrong for Martinez. But he managed to exploit the holes in Paul Williams. And if he can do that with Paul Williams, who's really, a very good boxer, he might be able to it against Pavlik.
     
  15. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Don't ever take it personal. I might be going tooth and nail with you on one thread, and at the same time, backing you to the hilt on another thread:yep

    At the end of the day, experience counts. It does not always decide the outcome, but it means a lot. On this occasion we have a guy who has competed at the highest levels of the sport as an amatuer and a pro fighting a guy who fought a long list of no hopers, and then did not fair so well whenever he stepped up. That is meanignful.