Kelly Pavlik Will Knock Sergio Martinez Out, and Here's Why.

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  1. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Yeah a loss to Martinez would hurt Kelly's career similar to what another "Executioner" did:yep. All jokes aside good luck to both fighters and I hope Martinez can get a good win. Pavlik has 3 (Taylorx2,Miranda).
     
  2. WatchfortheHook

    WatchfortheHook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course. This is a match with two top guys so I'm not ruling Martinez out. One thing Pavlik does better than Williams though is Pavlik fights with his height and reach advantage and Williams fights smaller than he is a lot of times, so even if Williams has a deeper offensive reportoire I think Pavlik is the harder fight for Martinez. Also, the two guys who've beaten Martinez were pressure fighters.

    Edit: Additionally, Kelly is the more accurate puncher in my opinion than Williams. What Williams has going for him is when he's on he's able to swamp people in punches because he's constantly throwing, but he's not always accurate. Martinez fighting Williams and Martinez fight Pavlik are two different fights.
     
  3. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Pavlik has way better fundamentals than Williams. He is tactically and strategically superior to Williams. He has a better jab than Williams. He throws better uppercuts, has a better hook, has a WAY better right hand, 3 times the defensive prowess, throws better combinations off the back foot, uses his height and reach WAY better than Williams, cuts off the ring better than Williams, and is way bigger and stronger than Williams. Other than that, ya, Williams might be a more difficult opponent.:think
     
  4. PFG

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    I can see why Pavlik is considered overrated now. Fact is, take away Pavlik's right hand as Bihop did and you have a broken fighter.
    Pavlik's not fighting anyone of notice BTW and the ones he beat, that were of notice, I advise anyone to look at those fighters again. Miranda? Straight forward, right there to be hit. Jermaine Taylor, sure, JT is a boxer, but he's still straight forward fighter and he actually knocked KP down. And one could argue that JT won the rematch.

    Being solid fundamentally didn't help Kessler beat Ward. It doesn't work that way, there is the skill factor, spark. There's no spark sorrounding KP. He's susceptible to great boxers as shown. Leave fundamentals aside and you'll see that great boxers are the ones that don't go by the book. The ones that aren't as easily read.

    Kelly Pavlik will probably win this simply because he's just a lot bigger and stronger, that it's a missmatch. He's a very big middleweight, should be fighting in the super six, I guess he's not ready for that yet.
     
  5. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Taking away Pavlik's right hand is not something Sergio Martinez has ever shown the capacity to do. You take away Pavlik's right hand by neutralizing the jab, neutralizing the long left hook from outside, and by demonstrating enough punching power to force him to respect you. Along with that, you must have the footwork it takes to keep Pavlik from staying right in front of you. Martinez cannot do any of those things.

    Sergio has never fought anyone who can box like Pavlik. If you think Williams is some great boxer, you're wrong. Martinez looked good against Williams only as long as you fail to notice what a **** poor fight PW actually fought. Pavlik isn't going to repeatedly make the same god awful mistakes Williams did. He's not going to give up his height and reach, he's not going to fight with his face, he's not going to bend over at the waist and try to connect when Martinez is clearly out of range, and Pavlik, unlike Williams, is an expert at cutting off the ring. Martinez is out of his depth in this one.
     
  6. PFG

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    I'm not going into too deep discoussions, that are out of my limited knowledge reach. I'm only judging by what I see. And yes, I do consider Paul Williams one of the very best boxers out there. He beat Wink Wright like no one has ever done before.

    A final point... Martinez has a 76" reach. Pavlik 75". Martinez won't be outranged in this fight.
     
  7. USboxer1981

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    Pavlik should win this one, with not too much trouble either
     
  8. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    There is a VERY important difference between over all reach, and arm length. I can't seem to find anything that lists Sergio's arm length, but I think it is perfectly safe to assume Pavlik will have a nice advantage.
     
  9. Hermit

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    I still don't understand how people who supposedly watch these fights seem to think that Kelly can't put pressure on Sergio. Even though Paul Williams was lunging in, bent over at the waist winging wide shots and getting countered for his trouble they think Williams somehow applies more/better pressure than Kelly will. I can see this as a slower pace because Sergio will be spending a lot of his time getting the hell out of the way if he can but he ain't gonna be racking up the rounds they seem to think that way.
     
  10. Hermit

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    Giving up your height by bending over at the waist, winging wide shots lunging in is "a very good boxer"? Really. Paul Williams' best boxing assets in order are chin, heart, stamina.
     
  11. Landshark

    Landshark Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Kelly vs Sergio is going to look a lot like Froch-Direll. Sergio being the more cautious fighter doing his best to spoil and not get tagged by the stronger fighter. Unfortunately a couple of things are obvious, Sergio is not a natural MW, Sergio does not have the defensive prowess and strategy to keep Pavlik off him, I definitely don't think Sergio has the power to gain Kellys respect and finally Sergio has never fought someone as heavy handed as Kelly.
    I have also ALWAYS noticed you can have the perfect game plan but once you get hit by a very heavy handed fighter, your game plan and strategy is nullified. Perfect example is JT vs AA.
    Pavlik by referee stoppage round 9.
     
  12. Hermit

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    You been in hiding? Haven't seen you around for a while. :D
     
  13. Landshark

    Landshark Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hey Herm:hi:, good to see you man! Been busy moving and spending a lot of time with work! How is the home brew coming along?
     
  14. Hermit

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    Gotta sample the wares less and get my ass in gear. You feeling good about AA's upcoming fight? Home town boy has one each time so far.... :think....
     
  15. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    :rofl Pavlik <<Defense? Huh? lol.