Thomas Hearns in today's WW, JMW & MW

Indeed. Although the fact that Hearns injured his hand mid-fight (as always) may have helped Wilfredo go the distance.

 

nobody today would last 10 rounds with a peak Hearns in any of those divisions. That is nothing against fighters today , its just that Hearns was so special . And for Mayweather , he is very good , but is small and wouldnt move up divisions like he has done today. Back in the 80's Mayweather would have stayed at lightweight and been very good.

 

Actually STYLE WISE. He's correct. You cannot try to play ring general on Hearns and try to outbox him at welter. Not happening. He has too much reach and too much accuracy and too good a jab. You are getting shut OUT.

Hearns would obliterate all welters of now. The one with the better chance is MOSLEY, to rush him and try to KO him.

 

Yeah, we all know Mayweather would have more success fighting on the backfoot than Duran,Leonard and Benitez because hes does it better than them.:roll:

Learn the sport.

 

I'm just saying the "better" chance. Out of the fighters available now. Of course it would be a younger Mosley.

Mosley has handspeed and probably hits harder than SRL. I'm not saying he would win, just saying he might make it more competitive than the rest of current welters.

 

Hearns would do a Forrest on Mosley, only much much worse. Hearns holds significant advantages over every current welterweight. He'd likely beat them all. And given the lack of talent in JWM and MW, he'd clean house there too.

 

Ugh...

 

Why do you guys turn everything into a Pac-Floyd debate???


I hate to see what this place will look like when they fight each other in the consolation match, after Shane and Clottey starch their asses.

 

I rate Robinson and Gavilan ahead of Leonard. Napoles also has a claim, but I agree with everything else.

 

If Paul Williams was so beatable maybe guys like Floyd or Mosley or Cotto would have fought him. But no, they ducked him. Too big of a risk for too little gain in revenue.

It's quite a travesty when one of the best boxers in one division is forced to move up in weight because he's being ducked left and right.

Even at 154, appart from Martinez, no one stepped up to the challenge. Poor dude is fighting at 160 simply because in the lower division no one accepted his challenge. How is that fair on Paul Williams?

How would Hearns fare in this current WW division where everybody would be ducking him because he's too tall/lanky/should fight in an upper division.

Paul Williams was really underprepared for the first Quintana fight and fought the wrong fight. Can't act a slickster against a fighter that is slick. Done the adjustments in the rematch.

Against Martinez... well, yes, Martinez is a great boxer who's only just being discovered. So Martinez ran him close. That still doesn't do anything to 100% tarnish Paul Williams' chances versus Hearns because Hearns isn't as fast as Martinez, dare I say Hearns isn't as good counter puncher as Martinez. And still... Williams won that fight. Against a great boxer taylor made to beat him, he outpointed Martinez.

Now... tell me, how can anyone rule out a 6'3" volume puncher with POWER, with skills. Ok, his defense isn't the best, ok, southpaws are countered by right hands BUT Paul Williams... sorry, but I'd never rule him out in a fight against anybody. Look at how he battered Winky Wright man, it was a lot less competitive than Winky's fight against Hopkins (which really would have been a LOT closer if it weren't for the adversity in it)

It's only my opinion. I don't think I deserve banning for stating it. Thanks

 

I love Tommy and wish I could say he would have stopped Benitez, but I am not sure. Wilfred was not being hit by Tommy. Tommy sometimes had a right hand get close, but nothing clean at all. I was amazed. Before the fight I thought Hearns height and reach would get him to land on Benitez, and Benitez had Hearns missing right hands and even body punches at times. Great defense. I am not sure a defense like Benitez can be taught. It was all natural. Something like a Starling defense with hands up can be taught, but not Wilfred's defense.

 

The fact that Williams arguably lost to Martinez and did lose to Quintana DOES hurt his chances against Hearns. Because those two guys aren't even comparable when it comes to skill, effectiveness, timing, power, and strength.

May and Cotto ducking Williams doesn't provide justification for Williams having a chance against Hearns. Neither Mayweather or Cotto would win a round off of The Hitman.

Lastly, beating Winky Wright doesn't mean anything in this matchup because the 09 Winky ain't Tommy Hearns. Wright has no foot movement, is several inches shorter, doesn't have Hearns' distance control/jab or power. Believe me - once Williams starts getting hit flush (which would happen right away), it wouldnt be long.

 

I don't think losses are that telling, especially when rematched. Williams had a bad day at the office against Quintana and went on to avenge his defeat. Against Martinez... as I said before, I consider Martinez a great fighter.

Sure Martinez and Quintana are maybe not Hearns level, BUT PW still beat them and Hearns is a totally different fighter to those two.

Now, with Paul Williams you have a big volume of strong punches, fighting from a southpaw stance. I don't know how would Hearns react to that. Because... there was a time when he fought a volume southpaw at 160, made it war and everyone knows how that went.

Not saying Paul Williams holds that power, but... dude has a 70% knockout ratio. He has legendary volume. Plus, he'd be able to outrange Hearns. Those are reasons why, I'm just not going to rule him out. Too bad that fight against KP didn't happen. I think PW would have won that big. Sure... then everyone would have said Pavlik is sh*t.... PW just can't get any credit these days.