What exactly was De Jesus' "key" to beating Pacquiao?

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  1. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Did Clottey's corner give him so much as one word of technical advice in this fight? Clottey fought the same as he always has - but his corner was the real disgrace in this fight. Never once do they tell him to circle to his left, double up on his jab, work the body, throw the right to the body to set up the hook to the head. De Jesus seemed to think that if he told Clottey to "take a chance" every round that eventually he would just magically figure out what to do. No, a cornerman has to offer some technical advice to help the fighter make the adjustments that they need to make.
     
  2. eko718

    eko718 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree. His corner was HORRIBLE tonight.
     
  3. cincyjacket

    cincyjacket Active Member Full Member

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    The corner gave him good advice. They simply told him to punch more. The punches he threw connected. He just didn't throw enough of them.
     
  4. hmm

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    hmm says . . .

    he gave the right advice but JC didn't take any risks or chances..........
     
  5. Norbix

    Norbix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I remember him saying that he wanted Clottey to take one or two rounds to figure out Pacquiao and then after let his hands go. I don't know how many times now I hear trainers urging their fighters to let their hands go but the fighters just don't do it. : )
     
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    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    if it was nay other ordinary oponent for clottey at welter, he could have won by tiring them out in his turtle-like defense. but pac is far from ordinary. clottey must be expecting something that pac would tire himself out and just pick-up the scraps once pac loses steam. clottey could have been more active but it is easier said than done. if he would be more active, there is more of a chance that he would open-up and pac having a bigger opening. but still props to clottey. those few punches he threw, connected most of the time and one time i feel that hurt pacquiao in the 10th round.
     
  7. 46and0

    46and0 It's irrefutable. Full Member

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    His trainer was good.
     
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    MagicMan91 The Main Event Mafia Full Member

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    To wait and hope that Pacquiao gets bored of hitting a punchbag
     
  9. eko718

    eko718 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Just saying "punch more"/"take a chance" is not good advice. Good advice is the specific instruction Freddie Roach was giving to Pacquiao. It's not enough to tell a guy the obvious...Clottey knew he wasn't throwing punches and there was a reason he wasn't...SPEED. Clottey needed solutions...advice on how to break down Pacquiao's speed... insight on what mistakes Pacquiao was making and on how to respond. Your corner is there to help you figure out your opponent. DeJesus essentially expected Clottey to magically figure it out, even though he claimed he had a "plan" and knew Pacquiao's style. He didn't even emphasize WHERE to throw the punches! Even if he just told Clottey to bang the body that would have been better advice than he gave. His inexperience as lead trainer showed.
     
  10. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    I agree. That's exactly what I was saying. Even telling Clottey to circle to his left would have helped somewhat - but I never heard so much as one word of technical advice from De Jesus.
     
  11. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That was the worst corner I'd seen in a long time. From what that trainer was saying before the fight, I knew that Clottey was done. The only advise I heard from De Jesus during the fight was, "you gotta do something". How about telling him what, and how. They had no game plan whatsoever.
     
  12. Eihtwonder

    Eihtwonder New Member Full Member

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    What can a trainer do when his fighter doesn't really want to go in an trade punch?

    This is high level boxing... First, your fighter has to go to work... Than you make the technical corrections during the fight to find a key to victory...

    But the fighter just need to win, wich wasn't exactly the case...
     
  13. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Dejesus was there to collect his little percentage of a large purse and be
    on HBO. He's a ****ing cutman and keymaker FFS. It was his 15 minutes.
     
  14. cincyjacket

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    Dude, if he couldn't understand "punch more", do you really think he could have understood even more technical instructions?
     
  15. Relentless

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    his trainers said all the right things, clottey just didn't do ****.