A message for those who won't give Pac credit

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  1. Toontoon

    Toontoon Boxing Junkie banned

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    How many rounds did you think Clottey was going to win?
     
  2. Twirdman

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    Again this doesn't make any sense to me. Pac beats a guy who hes the underdog to Barrera, ODLH, and others oh those fighters were shot. He dominates a fighter that he was supposed to beat and oh well he was expected to win. What do you want from the guy.

    Also look at Mayweather nearly all his fights he was favored in. So should he get no credit for any of his wins in his career since he was the favorite. And this isn't just in WW its even before that he was favored in most fights.
     
  3. ImElvis666

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    3, maybe 4. I expected a unanimous decision but I didn't expect Pac to force Clottey to be so ineffective.
     
  4. ImElvis666

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    Not only that but he dominated him in such a way that no other fighter could (possibly Paul Williams maybe). It's ridiculous.
     
  5. nipplefloss

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    I picked Pac by decision based on workrate. I also stated that I didn't think the decision would be close.

    Also, Pac didn't win every round. Apparently two judges gave Clottey a round.
     
  6. ImElvis666

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    One judge saw it the same as me. My point still remains.
     
  7. Toontoon

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    I thought Clottey could have taken a few as he was doing well in some of them for a large part of the round, Pacquiao just turned the pressure up near the end of them and Clottey went into his shell letting Pac take the round.

    That's why it was so disappointing even though I expected Clottey to be a punchbag for the majority of the fight.
     
  8. nipplefloss

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    I'm not sure how I'm supposed to argue with you when you attribute things to me I never said. Barrera was not shot. It's arguably Pac's best win. The Cotto win was surreal. Amazing win. ODLH was in shitty shape. The Hatton win was a very good one.

    The Clottey fight was just Pac doing his job. It was a keep busy fight. Why do you expect him to get as much credit for a less meaningful win, against a less accomplished opponent?

    Mayweather DOES get **** on for only fighting guys that he should beat, lately. Not just that he's the favorite, but that there is no way the guy should win. He got a ton of **** for fighting Marquez for exactly that reason. Because no one saw any way that Marquez could win. Mayweather is favored over Mosley, but he will still get credit for winning because the fight answers some questions. Mosley is an active puncher with good reach and power. Mayweather hasn't fought a guy like that in a long time, and none as good as Mosley. Even as a favorite the fight involves risk.

    Who was asking to see how Pacquiao would fare against a tentative fighter with a history of low workrate and middling KO power? Who had already managed to lose to two fighters who were definitively worse than Pacquiao.
     
  9. nipplefloss

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    I'm not sure what your point was? I said I predicted that Pac would win a decision and it would not be close. Many people said the same.
     
  10. ImElvis666

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    I think the accumulation of the punches from Pac had taken their toll on Clottey by the later rounds. He just didn't have it in him to launch a serious offence.
     
  11. ImElvis666

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    My point is in my original post. He deserves props for dominating in such a fashion.
     
  12. nipplefloss

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    I'd have to rewatch the fight, and I'm certainly not going to do that, but I recall Clottey being marginally more active in the 11th than any other round of the fight.
     
  13. Twirdman

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    Plenty of people were asking to see Pac fight a defensive boxer. Everyone was shitting on him for fighting all these come forward fighters. So he takes a defensive boxer in Clottey and now people are saying that no one wanted to see him fight a defensive boxer. That's crap.
     
  14. nipplefloss

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    He dominated a significantly worse fighter, who wasn't even trying to win. And we already knew going in that Clottey wasn't on Pac's level. He gets credit for doing exactly what he was supposed to do. That's not nearly as much as he gets for beating Cotto, or Barrera, or Hatton. This was not a profile raising fight. It was a status affirming fight.
     
  15. nipplefloss

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    People wanted to see him fight a great defensive fighter, not a guy who gives away round after round by taking punches on the gloves and refusing to throw back. Think Whitaker....