How Much Further for Pacman?

I did an EDIT where I summed up my position. That's what I have to say about it really.

 

Marvin Hagler was a live opponent on fight night, Oscar De La Hoya wasn't. That's what I have to say about it...really.

 

Pacman-DLH = Norris-SRL except SRL is greater, they are good wins, just not great 1s

 

Apart from a fantastic defensive guard, great reflexes and reactions, a great ability to read his opponents punches and a 20ft ring to manouvre around with good footwork. Yeah, nothing at all.

 

18 months is a long time at that age. And Oscar wasn't the bigger man on fight night. He was drained to **** and barely threw any leather. 147 on fight night compared to Pacquiao's 149. That should tell you something about the state he was in that night.

 

If Pac beats Mayweather he ranks above Hearns Hagler and probably SRL for me.

Right now... I don't know. He's in that 20-40 zone I guess.

 

It would almost be worth it going back to the pre-match chatter on this site before Pac vs DLH and seeing just how many saw as clearly back then that Oscar was a ring wreck just waiting to be had.

 

Or let's jump in a time machine and see how many people were pittying poor old past prime Hagler.

 

I though Pac COULD win based on Forbes having some success in his fight with Oscar, but wasn't sold on how Pac wiuldtake De La Hoyas punches. Who thought he would look THAT bad come fight night? I also didn't realise how devastating Pacs retained speed would he at the higher weights.

 

I certainly didn't, I thought Pac would win but not in that fashion. Maybe Pac deserves a little more credit for making Oscar look so bad but, as we all know, Oscar was pretty much dead on the night.

 

Pacquiao's resume is absolutly incredible, he dos'nt need mayweather in my opinion, he's done more than enough. look at the modern day greats he's fought.

Barrera x 2, Marquez x 2, Morales x 3, beat all 3 HOF certs, then jumps up & beats up DLH who hand picked the little feller (We all screamed murder at that) after only one fight at 135, wipes out the accepted 140 king in Hatton, jumps back up & batters a great fighter in Cotto for the 147 crown & dominates the former champ & top contender in Clottey.

I think his record way outstrips Leonards who never gave anyone a re-match until they were too old. Pacquiao's ducked no one & fought them all & beat them all starting by hammering MAB at featherweight & hammering Cotto at Welterweight.

He's the new Henry Armstrong & a modern day ATG & deserved of his place on boxings Mt Olympus.

 

But when you think about it, Barrera in the second fight was past it, Morales won the first and was on the slide by fight 2 and done by the third fight, the two Marquez fights were iffy calls, more think he got the worst of them than vice versa, DLH was finito, and Hatton and Cotto were past their best days too, which were never that great to begin with.

He NEEDS Mayweather big time for me to have an argument for a top 40 spot all time.

 

I agree, when Pacman beat Oscar I thought it was mostly because Oscar was so weight drained, then he Hattonized Hatton then did the same to Cotto etc... looking back I think it was Manny that won their fight and not Oscar that lost it (drained) and not many would of been able to beat Oscar that night IMO (current guys).

Leonard put in a great perfomance against Hagler but the size diffence was not that great bettween the two and the fight was very close.

 

Who was Pacman's last live opponent?, JMM?

Oscar, Hatton, Cotto and Clottey did not not seem very live on their nights, but who else (current) could have done that to them apart from Pacman?

 

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