Better win: Iran Barkley or Miguel Cotto?

1-2lbs doesn't weaken a man unless that man is already really, really struggling to make 147, which Cotto obviously doesn't do considering he weighed in under the limit for his previous fight. Cotto was a former lww, and he never looked particularly big at welter. In fact, I'd say he looked the clearly smaller and physically weaker man vs Margo, Shane and Clottey. There is absolutely no way that Cotto was "drained and weakened" by weighing 1 pound less than in his previous fight. The very idea is utterly ridiculous. 1 pound is a trip to the bathroom cubicle after a big meal!! Sober up man.

 

Cool, I'll email you at some point today. I was impressed by just how dominant Pac was. Considering how naturally big and strong Clottey is, and how difficult Margo and Cotto found him, it was exceptional stuff from a guy who was at 130 two years ago. Once the fight started, I knew there would be no stoppage because Clottey was in survival mode, he was never going to open up and risk getting caught with a Hattonizer. It was disappointingly over-cautious and over-defensive stuff from Joshua, but I suppose it's understandable given that he knew he was totally outgunned and outclassed. The fight gave me encouragement for a Pac-Floyd encounter, because the only way Manny will win that is if his stamina is superhuman. It was. Here's hoping they sign it up on May 2nd.

 

1. Notice how I focusing on the quality of the win, which inthe case of Duran isnt that high. Its good considering the circumstance but any world level fighter should beat Barkley

2. More of the 'Duran wasnt great so beating a substandard opponent is great'

3. We get it Barkley was bigger with little skill, hes comparable to a 160lb version of Gatti, a glorified gatekeeper

4. No shame in losing to Kalambay its more to do with the fact he lost to nearly every good fighter

5. No chance, Barkley was too slow and Benn couldnt miss him, there was only 1 man getting tgged with big bombs

6. We're basically more in agreement than you think, we both agree beating Barkley isnt a great win at middleweight, you think its great because Duran was older/smaller

7. Its a great example, Toney was further past his prime than Duran, was more out of shape (thats usually a big plus in Duran fans minds), he was more undersized than Duran and he was arguably in with a better boxer. Ignore the steroids most HWs are on them, they dont do anything if you dont train (which Toney doesnt) and Duran did his share of coke/diuretics

8. Again I don care about these factors Im focusing on win quality and Barkley was an easy mark

All that said Duran would beat the **** out of Pacquaio

 

At some point an extra pound is capable of making a massive difference.

 

FFS you're just digging your hole deeper now. yes Cotto was a former LWW, and if you followed his career you'd know he was a zombie at the weight and weigh 159lbs in te ring for some 140lb fights atsch Oh guess what happened when he went up in the weight, he was fresher, wasnt as chinny, stronger

Not to mention he'd go upto 180s between fights. I suppose Duran couldnt be struggling at 147/154 because he was a former LW

As for Cotto not struggling with the weight. Why is he known to starve himself, take diuretics and getin the sauna to make 147? Why does he gain a **** load of water bringing him over 160lbs at times?

And to use 'going to the bathroom after a big meal' tends to be something that isnt going to happen, when you're starving yourself to make weight atsch

I'm not saying the 145lb limit is definately a big factor, but it potentially is when Cotto is draining to make147 as it is. Put it this way they put it in the contact for a reason. Pacman would win anyway but the plan was to weaken Cotto otherwise it wouldnt be there

 

There's a significant number of people in the classic section who say Duran's win over Barkley is bigger than Michael Spinks beating Larry Holmes ! :shock: So I dont expect much Pacquiao support here.

Having said that, I'd say this comparsion is a close one to call.

 

No, I dont either. He could have been though.
But it's his own fault if he was. He agreed to 145.

I dont believe in having catch-weights for weight class title fights.
It's always gone on but I think it's a bit of a nonsense.

 

Lets take this to the extreme, if my 80something (dont know how old he is) won an area level title would it be better than Durans wins. Look at the circumstances, hes twice as old as Duran, so the win has to be twice as good right?

Obviously an area level title isnt nearly as good but it doesnt matter because my grandad is ****ing ancient and hes got prostrate cancer so its clearly a better win beause of the circumstances

Or does the circumstances rule only apply to Duran?