VIDEO: Bob Satterfield beats Nino Valdes

Thanks for the video 2.

 

Very good fight good to see 2 heavyweights still able to fight 10 active rounds. Looked like Bob was ahead most of the way although Nino looked at least 5 inches taller than him. Nino was going to be Marciano's # 50 if he got past Satterfield. Satterfield was not only a puncher he had skills and Nino was good but Bob was dominated by Ezz and Nino lost to Baker, Moore 2 times. He did edge an out of condition Ezz but refused to rematch Ezz. Ezz was dynamic with his KO over Satterfield and Wallace. Archie also beat Bob by KO

Still skill level was good and condition of both men as well. I like the left hook by Bob in the end. Match that with the right hand he landed vs Baker with his 1st rd KO

I thought both men looked good

Thanks for the flick

 

Thanks for this I hadn't seeen it.
I wonder how many ,after watching this, would give Valdes a live shot against Marciano?

 

im so glad this has been up-loaded!! thank you! thank you!!

Nino is a guy I have tried to read as much as I can find on him since there is evidence he deserved a shot at the title. I have a copy of nino v brian london but since this was his last fight i feel its not a fair gauge of his full powers.

valdes destroyed cockell and was seen as a superman by the british press (just as joe baksi was after creaming uk's best talent) by many respected writers like colin hart until the myth snowballed into nino being some kind of uncrowned champion.

even though his american record record never stacked up evrytime nino came to London he won by impresive KO. all this was before records and film were as accesable and writers would prefer colourful storys by fred "nosher" powel a journeyman heavyweight who later became a stuntman and bit part actor (apearing in fight scenes wearing a flat cap in the john wayne film "brannigan") about how hard valdes hit him in sparring sessions in london. the story goes that nino broke all the heavy bags in the gym and nosher asked him to hit him only in the arms, after a week of sparring nosher had such sore arms he begged nino to hit him in the head.

This Satterfield film proves what i had always suspected that against american opponents valdes wasnt exciting anyone over there, and this has to be the reson why nino wasnt seen as any kind of real threat to marciano.

As big as he was for that time I cant see how nino would have presented any kind of threat to rockys title. satterfield could back him up and land with ease.

 

This, along with the first Harold Johnson fight, is one of the few times I've ever seen Satterfield use his boxing skill instead of going all-out to score a knockout. He used upperbody movement and counter punching, this mixed with his awesome power made him a threat to anybody. Going into this fight, Valdes and his manager were already saying that they had made a mistake in taking this fight. They were proven right as Satterfield turned in one of his better performances and outpointed Valdes, intimidating the much bigger man with the power he possessed in both hands.

Valdes is, as advertised, strong but sloppy and mechnical, possessing a good jab but little in the way of defense. Still got the job done in most of his fights. He may have beaten Satterfield on another night due to his power and ability to take a punch, but he was simply outboxed and outpunched here.

 

I have not seen a lot of Nino and have to say I'm not hat impressed. He was big and strong for that era with some basic skills and power but seemed very slow and hittable ... if Satterfield was able to survive him , Marciano would have destroyed him ... a claim to fame of blowing out Hurricane Jackson does not Hall of Fame material make ... imagine if Tyson or Frazier fought Hurricane ?

Nice footage though and thanks for posting it ...

 

satterfield may have put a more thoughful performance in here than he did against layne, baker and charles but wasnt exactly up on his toes. Nino did not look intimidated. he was just beaten to the punch over and over and had no real answers against this opponent. I didnt see satterfield do anything marciano could not. he crouched low, countered and drew leads also.

valdes would undoubtably look beter against another bigger hevyweight but for me, this is just another CLASIC EXAMPLE of a good smaller heavyweight making a bigger heavyweight every bit as good look slow, tired and sloppy.

going by this I can only asume ezzard charles badly underestimated nino that one time in miami. since nino had already lost to sevral of charles's victims maybe he took nino too lightly when they fought? charles certainly had a picnic against satterfield. perhaps charles had new zest for being a champion again when marciano ocupied the title since after a 4 fight series with walcott he knew he would be unlikly to get another chance. I cant see the charles effort against satterfield losing to this version of valdes!

 

Charles came into that fight at his career heaviest I believe, doubtful it was in muscle like the Marciano rematch. Valdez also seemed to be at his most confident peak.


When I fought Agramonte in Havana I stopped him in ten," he said, "and Omelio had gone ten rounds twice with Joe Louis and it gave me confidence when I stopped him. I was in very good shape for Omelio and I was not hurt when we fought. Then the offer came for a fight with Charles in Miami Beach in less than a month and I did not stop training. Hipnosis had nothing to do with that win. I was in the best shape of my life that night -sharp as a razor- and I felt so strong and so fast that I believed no one could beat me. That night I felt like fighting."

Valdez used his size and weight to neutralize Charles, mauling the former champion, scoring solid punches, winning on points. It was the greatest victory of Nino's career. He returned to Havana as a national icon.

"Charles was a very dangerous fighter," Nino reflected years later, "but I surprised him. I moved very agressively on him and used my weight and size and I broke his rhythm and confused him. He hit me a few good shots and I hit him back with a few good ones too. I beat him but Ezzard Charles was something special."


I read somewhere that Valdez' people refused to rematch Charles which may have hurt his standings. Can't validate that at the moment however.

 

Never claimed that he was on his toes either. Valdes did look intimidated to me in the end, he had felt Satterfield's power and seemed to have given up on winning. I'd say that Satterfield was (surprisingly) more slippery and defensive-minded than Marciano was, he was mostly waiting to counter while Marciano brought pressure at all times. This doesn't necessarily mean that a fight between Marciano and Valdes would have gone any differently. In my opinion Valdes's size, strength, jab may have made the Rocky who fought Cockell (since that's when the match-up was closest to happening) look somewhat sloppy in the early stages but I see Marciano coming on strong late and stopping Valdes, something Satterfield couldn't manage.

Different fights, different fighters. Satterfield was extremely wild against Charles and was begging to be knocked out in case he couldn't catch Charles first. Satterfield was erratic, in the first fight against Harold Johnson he boxed very well against the boxing master himself, in the rematch he was knocked out cold in 2 rounds by Harold much like he was against Charles.

Valdes as we all know was big and had a good jab and was probably able to score enough on a more flat-footed, easier to hit Charles than the prime Charles of 5 years ago while being able to hold the smaller man off in the clinches. Satterfield with his speed and awesome punching power usually did well against bigger men, see his fights against Bob Baker and John Holman. He feasted on heavyweights who were big and slow.

 

My2Sense---Thanks very much for posting this for two reasons:

1. I still catch myself humming that old Pabst Blue Ribbon ditty, and hearing it again, I understand why. The catchiest commercial tune ever.

2. I have seen some of Valdes before, including his "ko" of Jackson on the three knockdown rule, with two of the three knockdowns appearing to be pushes, and have always felt he is overrated today. He looks very slow to me, with a poor defense, and his power was not top tier. Satterfield, Moore, and Harold Johnson were far more dangerous.

 

I respect your knowledge and analysis of fights but my intepritation of marciano differs somewhat. Im not saying marciano was intensionaly a slippery eel of a fighter but he was all elbows, shoulders and unco-ordinated movement that was equaly dificult to penetrate. his stance was not dissimular to satterfields, he threw the same over hand right that valdes had no answer for. marciano was an excelent counter puncher, he had to be to get in close. the famous KO against wallcot was one of the finest timed counters you will ever find. he knew what he was doing and his awkwardness is still misinterpretated as mindless lack of fundamentles. rocky saved his presure once he countered his way in. his wild caveman onslaughts were saved until his oponent was defencless.

This valdes- satterfield fight once and for all ends the myth that marciano could not have coped with a good modern sized heavyweight. it ends the nonsence that the weight and strength of the bigger man without the slick moves spells doom for the sawn off powerhouse. what it is in fact is another example in long, long line of examples of bigger heavyweights coming unstuck against old school boiled down heavyweights with a beter workrate.

charles clearly improved on his loss to valdes. it was a blip in form rather than decline in charles.

 

I disagree that Marciano was an "excellent counterpuncher". Certainly I've never seen too many true exhibitions of counter-punching by Marciano, he is usually the one initiating all the punching exchanges. Not sure if I'd call the Marciano-Walcott KO necessarily a counter punch either. Both threw at the same time, Marciano got in first and with greater punching power. While it can be said that Marciano maneuvered Walcott into the knockout punch, it cannot be said that Marciano slipped Walcott's punch and countered him with his own. That's what Satterfield does.

The difference between the aggressor and the counter puncher:

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Satterfield was timing his counter right over Valdes's low left. Satterfield was actually great against jabbers because of his overhand right and timing, he was also able to land it consistently on the textbook technician Harold Johnson.
Marciano did not care to "sucker" an opponent into a right, he mainly threw it over and over until he could eventually land it when the opponent had worn down.

There were similarities between their stance and use of upperbody movement but Marciano used it mostly to slip jabs and close the distance. Satterfield would slip the punch and then counter with the right hand.

Satterfield vs Valdes is not actual proof of anything other than that Satterfield could beat big heavyweights. In the end it was not Marciano in there against Valdes. Saying that Marciano would have easily dealt with Valdes or any other big heavyweight is simply speculation.

The Valdes fight does show that Charles had slipped as it's unlikely that a peak Charles would have been troubled and beaten by Nino.

 

Charles was certainly capable of having off nights, especially during the limbo period after he lost the title where he was a consistent for a stretch. Certianly, his unusual career high weight should be food for thought.

Even during his "prime" he had a hard night against Violent Ray, even though some felt he deserved a close nod. Of course, he came back and easily crushed Ray in the rematch.

"Elmer (Violent) Ray, who is an old alligator wrestler out of Florida, was around today hollering for a shot at Joe Louis' heavyweight championship. He started putting up the holler immediately after coming in with a split 10 round decision last night in MSG over Ezzard Charles, a Cincinnati light heavyweight. Ray barely managed to get the nod of two of the officials, after putting up a hot rush down the stretch, particualarly in the 7th and 9th when he forced Ezzard to grab and hold. The third official voted for Charles." -Associated Press

 

Charles was still testing waters at heavyweight, weighing 174 pounds, when fought the strong, hard-punching Elmer "Violent" Ray who was probably a bit better than Valdes, or atleast equally as good, but with a different style. He was more of a swarmer. From what I've heard Charles deserved the win. The fight with Valdes was also close but not as much of an injustice from what I've heard.

I can't imagine Valdes being able to land on a prime Charles consistently enough to capture a decision under any circumstances, his only chance would be a knockout. Based on what I've seen on film, Charles did become more hittable in the 1950's. I don't think 191 was a bad weight for Charles in 1953, only 4 months later he looked fine at 190 against Coley Wallace.