MMA Vs Boxing: Toney, Mercer and Bas Rutten Discussion

Toney doesn't get it, it is called Mixed Martial Art for a reason. Fedor is not going to go toe to toe with him, when he can take him to the ground and pound him to death. Ray Mercer seem view the game much more realistically. Toney is going to get GTFO!

 

I think Toney is TOTALLY DELUSIONAL. He's going to get hurt and embrassed in UFC. Love what he said about Tyson..but a younger Tyson would have torn Toney a new ass in 1 or 2 rounds.

 

http://vimeo.com/10197125

...a better video. Far more reasoned thinking from Roach.

 

Because they have "ground game" so automatically they can take you down, although no on realizes how easy sprawling is.

 

Toney hasnt a clue..



Man i still cant believe he became a heavyweight..

 

toney is going to get laid teh **** out when he steps inside the octagon.... sadly

 

I think it's time for Toney to start thinking about getting out of combat sports altogether honestly. I mean, his slurred speech is getting worse everytime I hear him... It's getting worrisome and I think he's better off staying away from the boxing ring for good.

 

Yeah, like that MMA champion killed grandpa Mercer in "one night".

If you honestly think he would beat BOTH on the same night then I have to tell you to stop judging based on your specialty Marvel Superheroes and come back to your senses.

 

No it's called common sense that's all. I'm a huge boxing fan that also follows MMA. Boxing is my greatest love but I appreciate, analyse, and respect all forms of fighting(martial arts) and the dynamics and strategy of combat. There is the term bringing a knife to a gun fight. A fighter like Toney with supreme hand skills but NO ground skills compared to a fighter like Fedor means he most likely will get embarassed. This is no street slug he'll be rolling on the ground with but a proven Sambo champion who knows dozens of ways to get you on the ground and keep you there. His forte is to test every aspect of a fighter's game and take them out using whatever weakness he finds. The rules of boxing simply allow to many holes for a good grappler to exploit if your style isn't modified to account for them. A simple sprawl for starters and then counters to any takedown moves from the clinch....a place in boxing where you either punch out or your broken apart.

Fedor would be just as foolsih if he thought he could school Toney standing up....particularly wih boxing rules. Hopefully someone tells Toney how just as foolish he is for thinking he'd dominate the world's best MMA fighter within HIS own combat rules.

 

He has been trying to get meaningful fights but JT is still too much of a risk for any top HW in boxing to risk it. He's still trying to get a fight in boxing but no one wants it with him.

I don't mind him looking to make some money in MMA since boxing isn't showing him any love at the moment. ANd part of it has to do with some inconsistant performances...he hasn't really lost but he hasn't really dominated so it's hard for promoters to put him in there with their guy given he's still very dangerous in the skills dpt.

 

Basically, I can agree with much you said.

But it's a fact that there is a good fight in boxing for Toney out there right now. Tony Thompson wants it, Toneys and Thompsons promoter Dan Goossen wants it, ESPN wants it and would would televise it - however Toney doesn't want to sign as he's not happy with the purse he'd get (25.000$). This is unheard of Toney, what happened to 'anybody, anywhere, anytime'? Now it seems like it's 'I'll fight, but only if the cash is right'.
Toney seems to be delusional, his stock is low, he can't talk his ass into a title-fight, and he's not the true HW champ like he claims he is - his IBA belt don't mean ****. If there's a meaningful fight and a 25.000$ purse out there for him to take, he should jump on it, and maybe there's a bigger payday down the road later...
In my opinion a fight with Tony Thompson would be an excellent opportunity for Toney at this point.

 

You're probably right about Toney retiring. But we all know that he won't do it.

So if he continues to step into a ring at his age, it should at least be a boxing ring.

 

I agree. MMA fighters are nothing special. Lesnar went straight from the WWE and was a champ in a few years. All he knew was wrestling, and he was out of competitive wrestling for 10 years before he stepped in the octagon.

I'm not saying Toney could walk in and beat everyone, but like Mercer, Morrison, and Briggs. He will always stand a half-way decent chance of beating a top MMA guy if he lands on them with 4 oz gloves. From the UFC fights I viewed their chins are nothing to write home about. Anything really solid that lands for Toney, could very well be a knockout.

 

Sylvia was uber fat and didn't take Mercer seriously. Kimbo had a very easy time with Mercer and Kimbo's isn't good at all.
George Foreman beat 5 boxers in one night, I think the difference between Fedor and Mercer/Toney in a cage match is no less than the difference between Big George and boxing bums. I´m no Fedor nuthugger, but I´d put everything on my bank account on him beating both of them on the same night. I´d bet that against pretty much any boxers, but an old overweight out of shape not that hard hitting middleweight, and even older Mercer, that's a sure bet.
Have you seen Fedor doing sambo and judo? Most of even the worlds best can't last a minute against him without submitting.

 

Then you must have quite a lot to put on the line, hope it's not only words.

Anyway, Foreman beating 5 boxing bums is nothing like Fedor beating two professional boxers, in boxing Fedor is a bum though I can't say the same for Toney and Mercer even at their age if they step in MMA. MMA is a mixture of street fighting and other fighting methods combined all in a cage and you apply whatever you specialize in and yes, unlike boxing, there's a lot of room for mistakes knowing that survivability there includes laying on the ground.

In boxing your two legs and only those carry you, if you're tired you're basically open to either get knocked the hell down, out or even killed, so obviously we know how relieved those boxers will be going in MMA knowing they can roll on the floor if they sense they're getting tired to save energy. So the situation is clearly better for these guys, can you say the same for Fedor in a boxing match?, hell no.

As proven with many different experiences retired boxers(who are obviously forced to retire for not being able to compete anymore) can actually do good in MMA if they decide to head that path, can you say the same for retired UFC fighters going in boxing?, **** no you can't.

Sylia being fat or not does not cover up the fact that he got iced within seconds after the very first punch landed by a grandfather in Mercer who wasn't only MORE fat that Sylia but WAY older and out of it. You think Sylia, being a big name as he is in UFC, would be able to go in a boxing match and beat a top 10 ranked fighter within seconds?, **** no he can't.

A WWE reject and NFL failure/reject made it far enough to become the main champion and biggest name there, did boxing have a tennis player holding its best title ever?, or maybe a rejected golf player?, **** no. Watch what happens when a retired boxer goes to MMA and watch what happens when an MMA "fighter" goes to boxing. MMA isn't even a sport, it's a mixture of whatever fighting method you can do all in a cage, basically a glorified street fight and I can understand why the drunk and worthless pack their arenas pointing at their t-shirts like it's a life-time accomplishment they were able to afford that shirt whenever the camera catches them for 0.04 seconds. If it's a sport it would have made it in the olympics, if it's a sport we will have an MMA guy in boxing knocking people out single punches in less than 5 seconds.

Above all, didn't Kimbo, someone who has extremely highly rated by the streets, say he wanted to go to boxing first?, you know why he didn't?, because he won't be able to make it that's why he went UFC and got a lot of attention. You know who he lost to?, a part time MMA gothic homosexual in pink hair and panties within 10 seconds as well.