The is J Calzaghe an ATG thread question

There is video saying he wouldn't fight Jones unless he was offered the crown jewels. To many newbs. I'm not going to do the searches to bring up the old threads.

 

history will be kind.
historians always forget fighters bad fights and who they ducked when the years go by.

when marciano retired at 49-0 i think it was burt sugar who said he was about the 7th best heavyweight ever up to that point.

now 50 odd years later he is right up there with the very best ATG in every single weightclass combined. despite thousands and thousands of fighters having come after him.

as i said history is kind and all past sins get forgotton and swept under the carpet.

 

Probably to an extent. If Kessler doesn't stop the bleeding, I just don't know how much that will affect the overall judgment. In the end it is the career defining fights that are considered most. Part of that is the 'vibe' at the time of the fight. Ali was the master at making sure his fights would be watched with anticipation. Decades later, how doesn't know the phrase "Thrilla in Manilla"?

 

Hey Bailey, I here what your saying, and you make some good points. However, IMO, history will judge JC on who he fought, not who he could have fought, or who wasn't available or attractive as a fight. The guys on his resume are the guys who will remain there, unless a comeback is in the cards, which I seriously, seriously doubt.

That being said, I believe a combination of weak division, young division, no name recognition, comfort, Frank Warren and Joe Calzaghe made it so that Calzaghe never got the fights that might have defined his career better. When push comes to shove it was his career.

As it stands, most of the talk(whatever it is worth) among non-UK boxing fans has him on the outside looking in as an ATG. I don't think his stock will rise, quite the contrary, as other fighters will be muscling in as time passes.

 

Pavlik? :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl Overrated fighter who made his name by beating another overrated fighter. Fighting RJJ as his last fight was a better move - he would have gotten no credit for slapping Pavlik around - better to beat a has been than a never was.

 

You constantly post to try and discredit Joe Calzaghe. I know exactly why. It's because Kelly Pavlik was exposed as an overrated one-dimensional plodder by Bernard Hopkins. He would not look out of place in an Addams Family movie. I've seen filing cabinets with better turning circles than the terrible sore loser, plodder Pavlik. Kelly Pavlik is an excuse-book merchant and a disgrace to boxing. :rofl:rofl

 

Calzaghe beat Hopkins who beat Pavlik.

 

I gave a direct answer to a question. I know you can't comprehend that.

 

Pavlik beat Taylor who beat Hopkins.

 

He does look like uncle Fester.

 

No you gave a stupid answer. Pavlik is not a world class fighter and has no legacy - so why do you think Calzaghe should have given him a fight? It would not have even been a challange. Hopkins took everything from Pavlik and the guy is a shell, totally exposed.

You trying to say that if it was Calazghe was the one who exposed him it would have made his legacy greater?

At least in beating RJJ Calzaghe got to strach an itch and get a good name on his resume - even though it was a totally shot fighter. At that stage it was about getting the biggest pay day not popping some overhyped fighter's bubble.

 

yeah but in the grand scheme of things only Hopkins was a truely great fighter. Taylor will always have the Hokpins win, so will Calzaghe.

What great win does Pavlik have - he beat the guy who beat the man?

Big deal.

Especially when the man came back and took him to school.

 

Couldnt have said it better
:good

 

"nooo"

 

See now, I think if you applied the same logic to Pavlik that you did to Calzaghe, Pavlik's resume would be fine. Yes, he did step up 2 weight classes and got his arse kicked by Hopkins, but he did so at a young age.....unlike JC. He took a chance and he got beat. Compare their resume's at a similar age and what will you have?
As for Jones, JC had said himself years earlier that Jones was shot. All he did was open himself for the ridicule which inevitably followed when he fought him years later.
Give Pavlik some time and the answers will come, good or bad. Calzaghe's have already been answered.