Wlad The reluctant warrior

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  1. Jorodz

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    damn straight mcgrain. technically he's nearly flawless in the style he uses. does he have flaws? sure but like you said that's what makes him so exciting. and personally i'm entertained watching a dominant heavy break down round after round the top contenders. the way he's able to wear them out and complete negate any plan they might have had is brilliant
     
  2. Prescott_Fan

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    Yes mate, you order it through the On Demand then it'll be shown on channel 0.

    For me i think Chambers v Vitali and Arreola v Wlad would have been better match ups. For all that Arreola is stupidly limited the fact he has a dig would have made it at least slightly intriguing against Wlad, against Vitali he had no chance. Chambers for me has the technical ability to give Vitali some problems as Vitali is quite crude, but for me Chambers - who can't punch at all - has no chance against the technically very good Wlad.
     
  3. Boxed Ears

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    Disagree about Vitali. I thought he was very crude when I first saw him but I have a very different opinion of him now. And I think Chambers has underrated power, actually.
     
  4. Prescott_Fan

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    Most of them go in there with no plan to be fair. It's not like he often has to radically adjust his gameplan. Wlad does one thing, and does it well, but it's a poor era of heavies and a lot of the guys he's broken down over 10, 11 or 12 rounds of pawing out the jab have been in awful shape and had very little to offer. I'm not hating on him, his technique for what he does is very good, but it doesn't excite me and i think if you stuck him in a better era he would struggle.
     
  5. Prescott_Fan

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    Each to their own. Chambers really doesn't hit at all IMO, he's accurate but there is hardly any pop in his shots. And Vitali is very crude, he jabs from the waist and then leans out of range (quite slowly a lot of the time) and very few of his punches are technically correct.
     
  6. Jorodz

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    all good points but guys like chagaev, for 1 round at least, tried to rush him and it failed, tony thompson tried to use his size and it failed, and iggy tried to lose every round on every score card. at least he succeeded.

    i think a lot of guys go in there thinking "he's robotic", "he's chinny" etc and then realize that at the other end of the piston jab is a bomb of a right just waiting to land
     
  7. Prescott_Fan

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    Oh for sure, he's very, very hard to beat. I don't disagree with that at all. I think these guys get in there and quickly realise that their own limitations are far, far greater than his. I just feel that in an era where there were guys who offered a bit more than the current crop he might not have had so much success. The more i think about it the more i really do see Wlad getting turned over by someone like Haye, and i think Haye would have struggled massively with, say, the mid-90s heavies.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    Rahman probably had less left than what Dokes had against Bowe.
    Wladimir could have excited a bit more and just got the job done in 1 round. Even Rahman was getting bored waiting to get knocked out.
     
  9. Jorodz

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    :good (except for the haye bit, on his best day he still gets mauled by wlad)
     
  10. Bummy Davis

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    I would not be worried as much by a one punch banger like a Shavers as opposed to a quick fisted pin point puncher. It only takes a a few snowballs to start an avalanche. I favor Vlad but I like Chambers mental and fitness approach. It will be an uphill battle but this is one for the boxing lover. Chambers also took Povetkins punches well and hit Alexander with some good ones early. His weight made him fizzle but he will be light mabey 205-208 for this one and it looks to be going 12 rds. Vlad has 56 fights under his belt and Chambers 36 and between them 65 KO's...but that is 92 fights between them so there is some experience in there. I think Vlad take a 12 rd Nod but this fight interests me.
     
  11. Jorodz

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    very good post:good
     
  12. bodhi

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    Wlad has no iron chin that's for sure but I wouldn't call him chinny. Two of his losses were more due to him beeing exhausted than because of his chin. And Sanders with his speed and power, although I don't think highly of him, he has these two abilities, would even test some better chins than his.

    I don't think this version of Wlad is easy to knockout. I don't see nobody right now who I would pick to do so, even when a guy like Haye has a chance to do so.
     
  13. bodhi

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    I am shocked a decent post of yours, nice to see you still have it in you :D
     
  14. Bummy Davis

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    Because of a few surprise losses Vlad has become a carefull fighter and because of his size is careful not to run out of gas. I think Vlad is a better fighter than any version of Rahman but has become a fighter who trys to dictate the pace of the fight. Chambers has to make Vlad fall behind on points and make his miss and pay. Box, move and open up sporadically with a flurry. Chambers is the best American in a while at this point in time and I think if the fight goes past 8 rds 8-12 will be telling
     
  15. Mendoza

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    I'll agree with the matador comment, but in Wlad's case he also has the size and the strength of the bull. If boxing is the art of hitting, and not getting hit, Wlad is a master now...but such an art does not seem to apply to giant sized euro heavies.

    Early in his career, Wlad was much more aggressive. He has learned better defense, clinching skills, footwork, and spacing.

    Wlad is very effective. Guys don't open up on him without good reason, because he can and will drop the right hand as they move in, or whack them with a hook. Don't blame him for winning round after round because the other guy is afraid to get hit and TKO'd / KO'd.