The is J Calzaghe an ATG thread question

Des3995 - Your right Pavlik did step up, at a young age against an old fighter (In some eyes) and got totally beat. Besides Taylor who has Pavlik beat? And Remember Taylor struggled with a bunch of LMWs before he lost to Pavlik. Also Taylor had Pavlik staggering round the ring, something Carl Froch wasnt doing when put down by Taylor. At SMW Pavlik couldnt make the same dent on Taylor, who was nowhere near as good as Calzaghe.
If you compare their careers so far, besides Taylor who as mentioned struggled with a bunch of LMWs, who has Pavlik beaten? Compared to Calzaghe who at this stage had beaten Eubank and Reid, which is better.

Axe - No to what? I asked who Calzaghe should have fought in his division?
Hopkins was #1 LHW when Calzaghe beat him and still is on some polls. Is that not elite? (Im not saying it is, but just a question. If it is it looks bad on Dawson)
Hopkins avoided Calzaghe, you know the story by now surely, dont you?
Jones and Michalczewski were in the division above before Calzaghe even entered world class. You know this. Nobody is as big a critic to Hagler and Hopkins for defending in there own division, often against smaller fighters without stepping up.
Why do you say Michalczewski fought nobodies? He won at LHW, the WBO, WBA and IBF titles, made over 20 defences of his WBO belt, and beat V HILL, G Rocchigiani, M Griffin etc Won the WBO CW title and was 46 -0 before losing contesiously past his prime.
No one asked if hes an ATG.

Headbanger - Thankyou for reading the post and answering the question

 

The question was, who did Calzaghe avoid in the SMW division, who would fight him. Not his ATG standing

 

I couldnt give full details of how far negotiations got between Jones and Calzaghe, but Jones was in the division above, not the SMW division. Its a fight that wouldnt shock me if Calzaghe won, but to say he would of or wouldnt of beaten Jones is pointless. But Jones for all his greatness has the PEDs cloud over him.

If Calzaghe had of beaten Pavlik, I doubt he would of got credit for fighting a smaller fighter who seems good but a bit limted. Pavlik has only beaten Taylor at MW and even then he was nearly stopped and staggering round the ring before coming back, and when he fought Taylor at SMW he couldnt make the same impact.
For people who think Calzaghe should have fought Pavlik, Calzaghe has a win over the guy that totally dominated Pavlik

 

So Jones who was fighting in the division above is the only fighter anyone can think of that Calzaghe should have gone to America to face? Thats if Jones would have faced him (Im sure he would have), as Hopkins and Ottke didnt want to know and Collins retired in the build up to meeting Calzaghe.
Just a note in 03 Jones stepped up to HW to fight Ruiz, this was before Calzaghe stopped Mitchell. Does anyone think back then the fight would have really sold?
Also for all Jones greatness he has the PEDs cloud hanging over him.

 

This isnt a thread about how great he was, I couldnt care less how great he was or wasnt. The question was who did he not fight that would fight him. Collins retired in the build up to fighting him and Ottke and Hopkins didnt want to know. In 03 Jones stepped up to HW before Calzaghe had even fought Mitchell, so would that fight have sold?
As for hiding in England, hide there from who? He beat Brewer, Mitchell, Manfredo, Lacy and Sheika from America and also Reid, Woodhall, Veit (who holds a win and loss to current WBO LHW champ Braehmer), Bika, Kessler, Starie and Eubank. Jones was in the division above, and also Jones has the PEDs cloud hanging over him

 

Maybe, maybe not, I couldnt comment much on some of the fighters you mentioned, but.............. (as below)