Who is greater? Manny Pacquiao or Roberto Duran?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by PernellSweetPea, Mar 15, 2010.

  1. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2008
    Messages:
    9,261
    Likes Received:
    7

    Why you keep repeating yourself. Wrong gameplan, wrong gameplan. Duran kicked his ass. You can use your wrong gameplan for Duran in the second fight due to Duran balooning up past 200 and even SRL confessed to rush Duran intot he rematch knowing very well that Duran would be dehydrated. Why would he do that if he was coming in with the right gameplan and not the wrong gameplan for the rematch?
     
  2. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2008
    Messages:
    9,261
    Likes Received:
    7

    He is a ATG LW who achieved a great win over a undefeated SRL at 147, Moore at 154, and Barkley at 160. Has Mosley won a title at 160, no.
     
  3. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2008
    Messages:
    34,796
    Likes Received:
    64
    Mosley has established himself more at 147 and 154 more than Duran ever did. True Duran fought greater fighters than Mosley ever did, but that is not Mosley's fault. He did not have Hearns or Benitez or Leonard or Hagler to fight. Fact is Duran lost to all of them.
     
  4. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2006
    Messages:
    13,681
    Likes Received:
    22
    Davey Moore was green, and wasn't all that much, and Barkley was a so-so champ. Big ****ing deal.
     
  5. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2008
    Messages:
    34,796
    Likes Received:
    64
    It cannot be simplified that way. No matter what Duran could never beat Ray Leonard who fought his fight as in November of 1980. And then Duran lost to Benitez by easy 15 round decision.
     
  6. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2009
    Messages:
    24,237
    Likes Received:
    64
    Never heard of Ray Arcel or Freddie Brown:huh:-(
     
  7. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2008
    Messages:
    34,796
    Likes Received:
    64
    Arcel was a legend. And Spada was not too bad.
     
  8. CassiusClayAli

    CassiusClayAli Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2010
    Messages:
    1,050
    Likes Received:
    14
    121/203? Pacquiao is gaining on Duran with just one fight. Duran overrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Manny is the next top 10 fighter coming up after he beats Money Mayweather!!
     
  9. Loggo

    Loggo Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2006
    Messages:
    3,029
    Likes Received:
    2
    Oh aye,Pacquiao would beat Mayweather,utterly,absolutely,definately.A foregone conclusion of course.He may beat him but don`t say he will.
     
  10. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2007
    Messages:
    54,515
    Likes Received:
    121
    Roberto Duran ..There would be no Manny Pacquio if Roberto Duran would have never been allowed to AGE !
     
  11. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2004
    Messages:
    8,001
    Likes Received:
    8
    Duran's legacy is deeper in my view.
     
  12. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2007
    Messages:
    21,677
    Likes Received:
    50
    duran was the better man during the first fight, leonard the better man in the second
     
  13. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2007
    Messages:
    27,199
    Likes Received:
    93
    Precisely. I love how the Leonard fans are so quick to excuse Leonard's loss in the first fight due to his "wrong gameplan", yet they're so quick to dismiss the much more profound excuses for Duran in the rematch. Comical.
     
  14. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2008
    Messages:
    34,796
    Likes Received:
    64
    Ray's win in the second fight was better. He outclassed Duran fighting his fight, and Duran barely beat Ray fighting his own fight in the first fight. Then Ray won the rubbermatch easily. I think Ray proved his dominance over Duran. Had Duran not said no mas Ray would have probably stopped him. As a matter of fact, Ray was landing body punches right before Duran quit. I always thought it was related. When Ray started landing and still was not hit, Duran quits.
     
  15. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2008
    Messages:
    34,796
    Likes Received:
    64
    Ray did not quit when he fought Duran and Roberto did. That is significant. For Duran to quit means he was preventing what was sure to come. A TKO probably. Ray fought the whole 15 rounds fighting Duran's fight in the first fight and it was a close fight. Ray won by TKO (but not really) in the rematch. Ray came out ahead in those 2 fights, and that is not even putting the rubbermatch in 89 into consideration. And the Benitez fight I think is significant because it made very clear Duran's weakness with speed, something he had not had to deal with as much to this point since the guys higher in weight were faster and deeper in skills.