Who has beaten more great fighters? Manny Pacquiao or Roberto Duran?

I agree with you there, Duran did fight the greater fighters Thomas Hearns,Sugar Ray Leonard, Wilfred Benitez and Marvin Hagler. 4 top 50 ATG fighters. Still i answered it the way they asked it. Who beat more greats and Pacman has, even if they were not the top tier Duran fought.

 

What?

I really am struggling to see the comparison there...Ali got 5 extra seconds if that anyway.

 

Took the words rite outta my mouth thanks...:happy:happy:happy

 

I could see if it was Leonard's first big fight, but he had beaten Benitez already, so I can't give him that he was not mentally ready as he let Duran get into his head instead of boxing. Duran's excuses for their rematch were all overrated...good post Mag...

 

Barrera was in his prime the first fight they met and was also the favorite going in and a comfortable favorite as well, Barrera was also 28 years old. Barrera's streak of wins leading up to that fight included guys like Morales, Hamed and Kelly and looked fabulous in those wins for anyone to suggest otherwise. Fans just like to say fighters are prime stuff when they win and instantly shot overnight if they lost and real boxing fans can easily see through it. If Barrera won we would all be talking about how great he won in his PRIME in the first fight yet how terribly shot he was for losing the rematch, right?

 

And we're talking about in between rounds after Ali got up from being hit with a helacious hook...

 

Sorry son, but Barrera was not in his prime... You can talk until you are blue in the face, but I know a prime Barrera when I see one...

 

Still waiting for that evidence MAG...you know..The fights where Leonard fights "his fight" and its the same gameplan to the one he used in the rematch.

The way he fought the first time was much more like "his fight"...every fight preceding the Duran fights, including many of his amatuer bouts, and all others after up until his first retirement he wasnt the constant mover and borderline runner he was in the second Duran rematch.

Again I just want to see the evidence....but the hater brigade just can never produce it.

 

Oh I'm not making a comparison, I'm using that as an example of how things like that can cover up. If you don't like to talk about the Ali knockdowns then let's talk about Hagler's two draws and two losses, did they ruin his chances of being the greatest middleweight of his time or even of all-time in many discussions?. No, I'm not comparing LOSSES, I'm comparing similar situations, a loss is a loss in the end and these things can be covered up easily if a fighter erases them with great wins. Yeah, I know Hagler avenged those by the way so there's no need to bring it up unless you want me to host it on Youtube.

All I'm saying is those two losses aren't harming him from being already voted as the greatest of this generation so I don't see why it should plague him in every single "let's rate Pacquiao" discussion you jump into. Great wins and performances erases early losses like that and I'm sure you will agree that Pacquiao before fights nothing like he does today in all fairness otherwise Marquez deserves the death sentence too for losing his first professional fight.

 

I'm typing and I assure you exchanging words with you or a thousand like you on the internet won't make me blink behind the PC let alone turn my face blue so I'm covered, don't worry there.

I know a prime Barrera when I see one as well and I know when a prime fighter runs into a style he obviously can't crack through and ends up beaten and losing badly. Pacquiao giving hell to guys Barrera went life and death with "in his prime" was another good enough proof for doubters let alone self proclaimed boxing gurus.

 

The greats Duran fought were greater than the greats Manny fought? Where do you get that? That is just an opinion from a guy who obviously is more into that 80s era!!!!!! Those of us who like Manny think the guys he fought are just as good as the fabulous four of the eighties!!!!

 

Why is Pac winning this poll? It's silly.

To those that think Ledwaba, Sasakul, Barrera, Solis (33-0), Morales, JMM - ( Pac's chapter 1 ).
and ODLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey ( Pac's chapter 2, still not finished).... are all SHOT is correct.

... They all are suddenly not prime, maybe the common denominator is the man infront of them?

Many critics thought Barrera won with his fight with JMM or lost very close. His third fight with Morales (which he won) are touted by critics' as an excellent boxing lesson reference material for potential amateurs due to both fighters' showing brilliant advanced boxing repertoire.

sarcasm mode: He's indeed shot as both fights happened 3-4 years after Pac beat him.

Having said that, I don't think Pac is close to Duran's greatness yet. He's around 15-20 spots behind in ATG. I dont retort to exaggerating or downplaying a fighters' resume when rooting for someone else. Being a true boxing fan, one should think that way, be objective and argue validly.

 

Yes they are as good but people downgrade that by saying they were all past prime and on their way to retirement as soon as they stepped in the ring with Pacquiao. Ironically almost all were betting favorites and HEAVILY going in against him which of course doesn't matter nor count at all because it's not an advantage for them to brag about otherwise I assure you they will bring it up like it's a line from the bible.

 

you put hof fighters for duran and say one was the top dog for a while but not for pac?

but hatton was the man at 140

the ring champ, the number 1 140 fighter in the world and for sure 100 percent hall of famer yet you dont include him

i think duran edges but you are very biased and no doubt a pac hater

oh and barrera times 2 btw

moralis times 2

oh and as for marquez, you against prove your bias, questing the 2nd win but forgetting a judge admitted making an error for the first fight which would have given pac the win

 

I just can't answer questions point blank like that without analyzing everything or going by my own criteria for greatness because beating a bunch of good fighters imo equals up to beating 1,2, or even 3 greats...