Who has beaten more great fighters? Manny Pacquiao or Roberto Duran?

Manny has had a great career, although if he loses to Mayweather his ranking will drop significantly, same with Mayweather. A fight with Mayweather and Pacman defines how great either guy is. The top 50 ATG ranking gets shaken up a little with this fight. The Mosley/Mayweather fight is more about how great Mayweather is. If Mosley loses, people will say he was older, although if he losses by knockout to Mayweather, that will hurt Mosley's legacy a little, but losing by decision will not mean that much. If Mosley wins then Mayweather will probably never be considered a top ATG, and Mosley's ranking goes way up.

 

No...actually, I don't believe it will. For either. Losses don't erase wins.

 

Manny Pacquiao's achieved great feats regardless of Floyd Mayweather, his position in history is fully secure.

 

Exactly. :good

 

I am not sure. If Mayweather beats Mosley and somehow knocks out Pacman most people will rank him 10-20 ATG, but Pacman now is probably ranked 20-30 ATG, if he loses to Mayweather by knockout I would think he goes to about 40-50. People will not overlook that fight. Ranking can be affected by losses and by years also. Time tends to make people more objective in terms of ATG ranking.

 

It is secure, but if he is ranked 25 by everyone right now in the ATG ranking, if he losses he will not be 25 if he gets stopped by Mayweather or loses by wide decision.

 

No. Stop. See fighters in the top ten and think about it. How many of them are undefeated? None. Losses don't reverse achievements. Be logical. Robinson didn't go back thirty notches because of Pender. Armstrong didn't get knocked back because of Zivic. Tunney didn't knock Greb back. Think about this.

 

I didn't say 30 notches, that would be ridiculous, if I said that I was exaggerating. I said 10 notches or maybe 15 or 20 in the case of Pacman since Mayweather is probably the best guy he will have ever have fought and vice versa. It is a significant fight. Barkley beating Hearns did not affect Hearns ATG ranking much because Hearns beat better guys than Barkley in several situations. But in a fight like this similar to Hagler/Hearns where both guys are equal and great, someone goes up and someone goes down significantly. Had Clottey beaten Pacman last weekend he would not have even made the ATG ranking. As for Hearns, Hearns ATG status with Hagler did not go down as much as it could have because the fight was such a great fight. Hearns is an enigma sort of . Even in his losses he put up great fights,but still he never could fully get out of the shadows of the losses. But even as a big fan of Tommy, that was no ones fault but his own. He lost those two fights. Obviously there is a little common sense which has to be applied when rating greats.

 

He has a point, Boxed Ears.

Ray Leonard was my number one ATG once upon a time until he took his licks against Norris and Camacho.

 

It could be 10 notches or 50 notches. You're missing the point. Big time. Your logic is insane. With the if he gets stopped it's different or it didn't go down as much because it was a good fight...Stop the insanity!

 

atsch Goddammit, Addie. Don't humor this guy.

 

How is that insane? Duran fans point to the fact that Duran went 15 with Hagler and gave him a good fight as though that proves he is great, even though he lost. As though going 15 in losing mean he won somehow.

 

A little of this is how people look at fights and fighters also. If a fighter has the great fortune to fight many greats than one fight will not matter as much obviously. But I disagree if you think that if Mayweather wins he goes up in ATG ranking while Pacman stays the same. It is a risk for both guys to fight each other. That is what makes this fight exciting.

 

You're taking everything out of context.

 

That is why I said common sense has to be used. No one is comparing Mayweather/Pacman to Leonard when he fought Norris or Camacho in 1991 or 1997. You cannot argue valid points by bringing up when Ray was 41 years old with Camacho. If you are trying to be funny ok, that is funny, but logically you cannot compare those fights to Mayweather and Pacman, who are top fighters now.