If Wlad ads another notch to his belt against Chambers, will it help his legacy?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It was solid. Arm punch doesn't equal **** punch. An arm punch is a punch where the torque generated in the punch comes from the arm. What happened here was, a very big HW hit a much smaller HW right on the chin with a well formed punch where most of the torque came from the arm...thus, he was rendered unconcsious. Arm punch is a by-word for "dirt" these days, I understand why but here's an example of why it shouldn't. Another good one is the career that Calzaghe burrowed out for himself.

    This is why the momentum he generates coming forwards might be important - but maybe not. Maybe Wlad is just powerful enough that clipping Eddie on the chin would always be enough?
     
  2. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Manny knew it was in the bag.

    But he wanted the glamour of a stoppage.

    Could have been a little risky.

    I remember Liakhovich losing a sure thing to Briggs when he acted in response to a similar wish from the crowd.

    And there seemed to be a testy exchange between Manny and Wlad going into the twelfth.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He does sound genuinely frustrated though. He took a similar attitude during Iggy.


    After the 10th and his 11th Wlad showed his frustration at the riot act. I wonder.
     
  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    There is a reverse angle of the punch where you can see Chambers head snap sideways. Wlad's hook is a fearsome weapon, and legit 10 count KO type of punch. He should throw it more often. Chambers dropped face first through the ropes.

    I think its time for Ring Magazine to consider giving Wlad the ultimate complement for a heavyweight. A spot in the pound for pound rankings.

    Wlad has won 12 matches in a row, six of which were vs. un-defeated fighters, and maybe lost 5-6 rounds combined in these 12 matches.
     
  5. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    What I meant by 'solid' was if it had his entire body behind it, as in his left foot on the ground and good pressure between the foot and the canvas. That's how it seemed earlier.

    Having now reviewed it, I'm not certain that was entirely the case.


    It landed closer to the temple, in fact, perfectly on probably the sweetest spot.

    Undoubtedly, Klitschko was able to generate enough torque, regardless of how.
     
  6. Boxed Ears

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    This is just Emanuel. Remember him doing it with Lennox too? "Get this mother#@$@ out of there!" as he smacks Lennox like a redheaded step child. :lol:
     
  7. PowerPuncher

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    I see why you say it was an arm punch, but he was leaping forward giving momentum from his legs into the shot. I reckon Chambers was probably a bit groggy from the sustained beating he was receiving though

    Wlad/Vitali are underrated, they'd lay dominant victories over many ATG HWs. I'd go as far as to say the only pre-Ali HW that stands a realistic shot is Joe Louis
     
  8. GPater11093

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    He knows his stuff though Manny, I just thought it was the natural progression, the right hand is landing so get the left hook after it. But it was the punch that stoppe it.
     
  9. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Jeffries, Dempsey, Max Baer, Walcott and Marciano have a good shot against Wlad. Corbett, Johnson, Willard, Tunney and Walcott have a very good chance against Vitali.
     
  10. Vysotsky

    Vysotsky Boxing Junkie banned

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    **** the Chambers win he already has this notch in his belt.........

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    panettiere > chambers
     
  11. Boxed Ears

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    Jesus, she's so young-looking I want to turn myself in to the authorities for even looking at that picture.
     
  12. PowerPuncher

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    No chance, both brothers use range too well and few of those men are getting past the jab.

    Jeffries - got outboxed by smaller men, no chance of getting past his jab, would be hit harder than he'd ever be hit and taken out mid rounds after being dominated.

    Dempsey - stylistically he has a shot, but he couldnt get past Tunneys jab so he isn getting past Wlads. Hes also too small and weak

    Max Baer - hes not fighting a sloppy Carnera, hes fighting Wlad whos much harder to counter punch and Wlad also has Joe Louis esque punching form, aers getting take out

    Walcott - 1 of the better chances as he has the best skillset, to beat Wlad you have to get to mid-close range and Walcott prefered to fight too much like a Chambers/Byrd, albeit a better version

    Marciano - not getting past the jab, outboxed by smaller men, relied on bullying opponents and taking shots, if he trys taking a punch to land a punch with Wlads punches he gets KO'd

    Corbet - a LHW with little power/range, about as much chance asByrd had against Vitali, meaning hes reliant on Vitali injuring his shoulder and quiting

    Johnson - fight like Kevin Johnson, his style is based on bein all and countering

    Willard - nowhere near the boxer, I dont see any advantages for Willard

    Walcott - has a better chance than most, I cant see it though

    Tunney - great skills, but vastly weaker man, giving up lot of range, likes to fight tall, cant see it
     
  13. Seamus

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    I really don't see any of these lasting the distance against either. Wlad's worst flaw is between his ears and I don't think any of these guys has the tools to reach that, to get beyond the physical tools he possesses, namely that freakish jab, oh so occasionally followed by a blistering right. That jab is just too much, one of the most effective ever in the division and he throws it like a baseball pitcher with change ups in speed, sometimes a prober, sometimes a punisher... Unfortunately for the spectator, that one tool and some pretty nice footwork is about all he needs.
     
  14. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Sorry McGrain but how can you call it a "solid" punch? Chambers' state before that last left hook:


    • He was in no way hurt or stunned before the punch landed. Although he was just looking to survive, he was quite "fresh";
    • Chambers has never been knocked down;
    • Chambers has never even been staggered before.
    Despite all that, Wlad knocked him out COLD with a single left hook. How is that not a great punch, let alone an arm punch??

    Yes he was leaping forward, but that doesn't mean you can't generate power. His left hook that knocked out Austin was exactly the same. Hell, the most famous left hook in history that knocked Ali down, was a leaping left hook. Frazier leaped in with his hook and did all sorts of damage.
     
  15. Boxed Ears

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    McGrain's catching a lot of **** for one little comment. I've been there. It's not comfortable. Don't wish it on him.


    Lampley says: "Gees, you're just stating your opinion and all of a sudden BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Then you try to explain yourself and BANG! BANG! BANG! Oh, you wanna stick by your opinion? How about some BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!"