If Wlad ads another notch to his belt against Chambers, will it help his legacy?

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  1. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    An arm punch is widely regarded as a weak punch with no mustard on it. Anyway, i don't really care to go over semantics.
     
  2. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Emphasis=mine:
    I agree with you, with one modification. When it comes to the sport of boxing, I would substitute 180 lbs for 200 lbs there. I know that's not a popular opinion these days, but it's been mine for many decades...and I have seen nothing in the last couple of decades to change it.
     
  3. McGrain

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    You can quote me however you like on the punch; solid, incredible, massive, concussive, I was very clear in describing on the first page that it had knocked Eddie "dangerously unconcsious". It was a cracking hit that utterly ruined his opponent. This entire (now) waste of a thread seems to have sprung from the fact that i've spotted Wlad lifting his foot as he lands and others have missed it and, of course, that this is a thread with the word "Klitschko" in the title which means it will always run 2-4 pages longer than neccessary.
     
  4. bodhi

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    Agreed.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes, it is, but incorrectly. We've seen here how inflamitory such words can be but it was in no way meant to denegrate Wlad or stoke up his fans in his defence.


    That's dangerous because in this case semantics and technical attribution interceed exactly and precisely. An arm punch is just a punch where most of the torque is generated in the arm, not a byword for "weak" as has been the interpretation here, it's a technical denoation, not an attack, at least when I use it.
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    I'm no expert in teaching correct punching technique (I mean, I haven't trained any champions from scratch of anything), but I've always thought .... Punches are often landed with feet off the canvas, but a good one is thrown with feet driving on the canvas. No ?
     
  7. McGrain

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    EDIT: Mis-read your post, this is about how I see it too.
     
  8. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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  10. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Yes and as McGrain has pointed out, the punch was not thrown with perfect techniquie but did concussive damage, more proof of how Wlad doesnt have to have perfect technique to do the damage he can do with his size.
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, Wladimir's a specimen, no doubt.

    And I'm not qualified to critique his technique in this case. It looked like a bloody good left hook, that's all I know.

    Back to the main subject, Wladimir put on a very good performance last night. It's not exciting, it's very predictable most of the time, but it's damn good boxing.
    I'm not convinced that he has many years left though, as some are proclaiming. I mean, he's dominating opponents like Chambers so well with his boxing skill and strategy that it will be harder to spot whether he's slipping in terms of speed. They can can slow and old overnight, these big guys.
    And I guess that makes it more interesting.
     
  12. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Damn good boxing?

    I'll begin by acknowledging that Wlad showed more spirit last night than he has in the past, though most of it was posturing. Damn good boxing is what you see when Vernon Forrest was in his prime. Damn good boxing is what you see when you click on GPater's thread and watch Barney Ross. Damn good boxing is Sergio Martinez's performance against Paul Williams.

    Wlad's boxing is a textbook for beginners.
     
  13. rekcutnevets

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    I'm not going on record saying that was the most spectacular hook I've ever seen, but it wasn't just some meaningless, lucky shot.

    Klitshcko clearly commits with his left leg before launching the shot, and gives a slight twist of the hips. Evidence that he committed his weight can be seen by his stepping on his left leg, and his left foot raising afterward. This is a sign that he transferred weight to his left leg before punching, then carried weight from his left side to his right side during the punch. That is what you do with all punches, with the jab being the exception. You transfer weight from the side of the body from which you are punching to the other side. If it is difficult for you to achieve that "bug squashing" movement at the end of a punch, you have too much weight on that leg.

    The jab is the exception because you push with the rear leg, and transfer your weight to the front. That is why it is important to step with your jab. This is the only punch in which the pushing leg is on the opposite side of the body from the hand delivering the punch.

    Now in regards to punch resistance, I have no idea about the effect of one's weight. In regards to punch delivery, weight has an impact. Mass x speed x force = power
     
  14. lefthook31

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    Cmon take into consideration the guys size. They cant move like a Vernon Forrest. While I dont care too much for his safety first approach, Wlad has good boxing skills for a big man. Hes mastered the use of range albeit against a textbook of beginners. :yep
     
  15. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    :lol::lol:

    Hope no one filmed it, or its me jumping around my bed room turning my right foot.

    Good post.

    But Wlad's boxing is till good, sure he is not up there with Ross or Forrest and he aint as fluid as Martinez, but what he does he does well to win. Sure it is textbook, but it is textbook for a reason.