If Wlad ads another notch to his belt against Chambers, will it help his legacy?

Chambers did show signs of having the right idea -slamming Wlad was a good tactic because Wlad's habit of leaning on his man needs to be answered, and taking him out of his comfort zone is what you need to do.

 

Well, in the last decade only two fighters went the distance with him. I think this shows he has it a bit more than half-right. :good

Yes, it certainly can. But I don't think the average contender is able to do so. You'll need someone above that. Aside of his brother I don't think there is one around. I may be wrong though.

Well, some tried but failed. To get by his jab is pretty hard and behind it there is the right hand and if you get by both then he will clinch you. It is hard to negate all that and have success.

Nah, Wlad clinches on the inside. And with his strength it's very hard to defend against that. I think Chambers tries of lifting Wlad to discourage him to clinch were unusual but interesting. Don't know if it would worked because Chambers stopped trying.

 

Weren't you talking about Wlad's feet being off the canvas. Frazier's patent left hook is a leaping left hook.

 

A lot of the criticism being thrown at Wladimir Klitschko here could be thrown at Lennox Lewis too, and believe me, I did so when Lewis was top dog.
But I'm growing used to the cautious style - and some of what Wlad does is a lot worse than Lewis did too, but still I'm mellowing with age and not expecting major heroics from every fighter. And I've got to credit where it's due.

It's easy to criticize from the safe side of the ropes. That goes for criticism of Klitschko and Chambers.

Meanwhile, Lennox is somehow treated like a heavyweight God around here by a majority.
And, to be honest, I've seen Joe Louis fights where he spends round after round pawing away waiting for some divine sign or something that it's time to start punching, and against some frail-looking opponents too.
And more than one Muhammad Ali fight where he's being berated for carrying his opponent, with apologies from the TV announcers, for an amount of action akin to watching paint dry.

And I say all this as someone who's no massive Klitschko fan.

 

You basically need an aggressive fighter with good head-movement/defensive skills to get inside and make it an ugly fight versus Wlad. Wlad is beyond uncomfortable on the inside. You need a fair ref to let the smaller man have his work done on the inside. Any excessive holding should be penalized.

 

Amen.

 

I thought I did.

 

Joe Louis threw punches though. Combination no heavy has thrown so beautiful since perhaps Tyson or Patterson.

Paw, jab, jab, jab, right hand, clinch. It's significantly worse than a bad fight from those ATGs you listed. Ali carried an opponent? Who Terrel? That was a beautiful fight for me, though. At least in an almost Pac vs Clottey domination display with Terrel being a big good skilled 6'5 fighter. Ali has had his bad share of fights. Sometimes out of shape or overlooking the opposition. Wlad can have a dead man in front of him with virtually no risk and not look for a finish. Louis is the best finisher in HW History.

I think the Lewis comparison is more apt. Wlad's just taken it to another level.

 

Frazier threw the leaping left hook 80-90% of the time when he left hooked someone. That was his patent left hook... it wasn't just against Ali. And it wasn't an arm-punch. Wlad's wasn't either.

I didn't want to go over details that have already been mentioned. Look at the post above mine.. that pretty much explains how it's not an arm-punch.

 

Ok, all this technique talk I'm is basically a crock. He's following Chambers into the corner trying to stop him and needs to close distance. The hook as I was taught it (even by the great SRL) involves the transference of weight from lead to back leg, even when moving forward. Thus, Wlad's lead leg need not be in contact with the canvas at the conclusion of the punch as weight goes to be anchored on the rear foot.

In the end, who give's ****. He knocked cold a guy who I have never seen phased before. If nothing else, we have seen a new technique. I've seen RJJ, Ali, Calzaghe... any number of champions throw drastically unorthodox punches to great effect...

 

Interesting..... That is ONE reason why I favor bigger bro Vitali and rate him much higher than little bro Wlad in my ratings of greatness.... V.K. eats pressure-cookers alive, while Wlad has been tagged and stopped in the past........ V.K. handles pressure MUCH BETTER than Wladimir does.....:good:happy

MR.BILL:deal

 

No, it is why the foot lifts. Taking your foot off the ground is not good practice, but it sometimes happens when you commit to a punch. When Mike Tyson's feet left the canvas, it wasn't solely because he was the shorter person. It also has to do with how hard he is pushing off. I'll repeat: If it is difficult for you to achieve that "bug squashing" movement at the end of a punch, you have too much weight on that leg.

If your left foot has a lot of weight on it when you land your left hook, it has no torque.