Why can't anyone get past that Klitschko jab?

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  1. Irländsk

    Irländsk Boxing Addict banned

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    Klitschko's opponents usually decide they don't want to be champ anymore when they get their shot and then just stand in front of him waiting to be knocked out. We will never know what could've been had they actually tried.
     
  2. twopiece

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    Good points there.
     
  3. fitzgeraldz

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    Chambers was doing good with his right hand over the Klischko jab but didn't have enough power to get any respect and he didn't throw his jab that much, he just covered up.

    Arreola ran out of gas after the 3rd round and took a beating ... Johnson just covered up ...

    In addition these cornermen are shitty ... they act like there's not a way to come back with one punch, these guys are heavyweights and chins don't play any part during a fight because anyone can get knocked out at anytime. They get desperate after the 3rd ****ing round - your fighter is as confident as you are, if you panic or get desperate you're fighter is going to lose confidence.

    Chamber's corner was shitty ... they didn't know how to adjust and they are the reason he fought the way he did.

    There's no hope for any other HW out there ... I would say Povetkin but he might not be ready this year.

    Haye will fall victim the same way ... he's strong enough to knock one of em out but he's very stiff with his movements and he can't take one of their right hands flush ... that low left hand is going to cause him to eat alot of shots.
     
  4. BigBone

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    Wlad actually has jabs, not just a singe lab, varies is well depending on the opponents approach. It's just so long, so fast, so crisp, and he rarely takes extra chances. Chagaev was way more active than Fast Eddie who gave all the activity up after the 2nd round. But the more Ruslan tried - and he bobbed and weaved like crazy - the more he was fed with big right hands. Eddie probably saw the tape and decided not to open up. In the end of course he got the worse beating.
     
  5. fitzgeraldz

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    I agree but there has to be some adjustments ... and when it's time to go for broke, they don't put everything on the line - there's always caution.
     
  6. Heavyrighthand

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    Watch the Chagaev fight, again.

    He tried like hell to *bob and weave his way in*, but its easier said than done, when you are faced with someone of Wlad's size, power and skill.

    Noone in the history of the sport has been so big, and so talented.

    That is why noone can get inside and *tap that chin*, as many seem to think is all it'd take.

    Maybe a hard shot like Haye can deliver could KO Wlad or Vitali, even, but getting inside is a tall order.

    The size AND skill these guys have is unpresedented, and its no wonder this endless string of contenders is failing, miserably, one after the other.

    Its not that the rest of the division is that bad, its just that they are faced with a task that is almost undoable. LOL
     
  7. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly and this is what many people dont understand. This is the same reason why Clottey couldnt do anything to Pacquio. His mind was telling him throw punches but it was also telling him be careful because once you start throwing when Manny is throwin, he will throw more and knock you out. So the only time he was throwing punches was when Pacuqio finished throwing his own punches.
     
  8. fitzgeraldz

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    A guy coming off major knee surgery ... with a brace on his knee ... wasn't the same fighter he was before the surgery. He got stopped and was getting blew out by several points.
     
  9. newby johnson

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    You don't really need to do that, bc as soon as you get offensive he steps back, and he can't punch going backwards.

    What you need to do is just rush him and throw long combos, 5 or 6 puches.

    You are starting from the outside, and he's far out of your reach, you throw a punch he backs up, you throw more puches until you get to him. This is pretty safe because he can't puch while backing up and he reacts like a deer caught in headlights when you rush him, but nobody rushes him. Everyone throws 2 puch combos max. That will only get you close to him, because he backs up, you have to follow that up with more punches.

    And, I wouldn't go to the body, I'd just go for the head, given his chin.

    I don't know what the gameplan is of these people that fight him, but I think a lot of this nonsense we see - Chambers, Chagaev etc. people doing nothing in the fight- maybe should be attributed to pressure. It's HUGE amounts of pressure fighting Wlado in Germany with those huge enterances, and having him stare you down with that Ivan Drago face. Takes a lot of balls and spunk not to get impressed by all that.
     
  10. fitzgeraldz

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    Good assessment, but both Klitschkos have great head and shoulder movement you would have to catch them going backwards and throw combinations. The body IMO would help out alot ... Wlad especially isn't the same going the distance.
     
  11. Fan88

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    Chagaev tried to do that but he couldn't pull it off.

    Tua could conceivably KO Wlad if he employed a bob and weave strat and came hungry and in the bet shape of his life.
     
  12. Punisher33

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    It doesn't help when the guy your facing has a good 6 inches in height on you, as well as another 8 or 9 inches in reach. The only fighter that will stand a chance against a Klit is one with power, chin, aggressive, and gotta be kinda reckless. Wlad's use to the same old thing. Most fighters just standing and being a punching bag for 6 or 7 rounds until Wlad decides open up more with the right. It's just too easy for Wlad nowadays.

    Say what you want about Peter, but at least he didn't stand there and let Wlad take him apart with coming back with attack of his own. He was constantly coming foward and throwing. Yeah he missed alot, but even glancing blows had Wlad's legs buckling from under him and looking to clinch. For all Peter's faults, he was able to take Wlad out of his game plan in certain rounds. And at the end of the day, made Wlad fight to win.

    I give guys like Haye and Arreola a chance, they seem like fighters that wont go quietly. Then again, you never know until you step in the ring with big Wlad.
     
  13. newby johnson

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    Wlad doesn't when you rush him, he just throws his arms forward (I don't mean punch, but like people do when someone's slapping them and they are trying to catch their arms)

    Yeah, that's the idea, because he has no offense or defense when you rush him and he starts stumbleing backwards in that robotic uncoordinated manner. He's there to be hit easily. You throw 2 puches to get him to start backing up, and you have to be walking towards him while you're throwing to close the distance, and then when you're up close let em rip. He's there for them.
     
  14. Heavyrighthand

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    Yes, even as late as the seventh round, he was still trying with all he had to move and work his way in. He just kept pressing into the punishment, and was taking a hell of a beating in the process.

    Chagaev put up the best attempt to beat Wlad in a few years. The others start to get pounded, and their drive to get inside diminishes pretty quick, with only spurts here and there............many seem content to stay away, hope for a free, open window to get inside and land in, but mainly they and try to survive.

    Chagaev seemed to have unwavering mindset of I gotta get in there, no matter what I get hit with in the process.
     
  15. fitzgeraldz

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    If height and size make a difference in confidence or performance - there are other sports to engage in. The power is there but it's there for a majority of the HW's out there ... thats why they are HW's ...