This was a question about Wladimir. You can bring other fighters into the conversation all night long to make yourself look right. This was a statment about 1 fighter. You brought Valuev into it so I answered your question. What's next are you going to make a statement about King Arthur knocking his opponents out ? It will not be hard to keep bringing up fighters knockout ratios to make yourself look right when the thread was about one specific fighter. Most of Vlads fights are equal to a tall light heavy weight fighting a light weight. In an unlimited weight class that is the risk some one takes if they want the title. The man can punch. He could probably knock people out faster if he tried.
First of all... your math is absolutely ****ing horrible.:rofl You have him fighting 67 fights by your calculations when he has had 57. Besides that... You do realize that even by your math, Wlad's KO percentage of 85% (which is actually just about exactly what Wlad's entire career KO% actually is) is higher than all of the people that I mentioned right? Both ways... your theory... much like your math... sucks. Besides that, I obviously felt that we were discussing wins... since the entire point of this ever changing conversation is his ability to stop opponents in his wins. What good does it do to now discuss losses? Should I now bring up all of the losses of the fighters that I mentioned as well? Exactly what would that prove for either of us? Absolutely nothing... much like what you are proving with your posts. Besides all of that bull**** nonsense, nothing that you are even saying matters a bit. Clearly as he moved up in competition he is still knocking out the fighters at a higher rate than the people that I mentioned. Let's also not act like the fighters that I mentioned fought nothing but amazingly great fighters in every fight either. Even though it's obvious that you don't like debating on an even playing field. Your theory is as ******ed as if I would pick Tyson's worst 5 fight stretch and compare them to Wlad's best. There is no need for any of that nonsense. We have their entire careers to look at here.
It is pure delusion to believe that Wlad would compete with the success he has now in previous era's. But when fans are delusional, there is no reasoning with them. With the American heavyweight , as we used to know, extinct, the void is filled by the woefully unconditioned and unmotivated East Europeans. Not getting hurt rather than winning seems to be the goal. Bouts are more like chess matches than real fights. You'll never see the brutal encounters of days past, like Ali -Frazier, Holmes-Norton or Foreman-Lyle. Wlad is great as long as everything is going his way, but as we've seen in the past , when he engages in a real fight, he certainly doesn't seem so dominant; in fact he is quite vulnerable. Todays heavyweights seem to be willing to only go so far to win, content to last to the final bell once victory seems to be to hard to really fight for. This serves Wlad well. If he had to deal with a prime Foreman, Holmes, Ali, Frazier, or even Quarry, Chuvalo or Bonavena , it would be a whole different story.
How many title fights? How many opponents did he KO that were never KO'd before? Those factors make Wlad's KO quote impressive. On hos worst night, Wlad lost to average fighters. Haters keep referring to thoses losses, as if they epitomize Wlad. As if Liston's first round KO loss to Ali represents his punch resistance or Ali's struggles with a 186 pound Cooper say something about his chances against big punchers. On his best night, Wlad is a very capable fighter and he seems to have a lot of those nights in recent years.
..and infinitely more boring than all of them. If that isn't ironic I don't know what is. ..maybe rain on your wedding day.
When Waldo retires he will be remebered on FAMERBOXERS WAll in the MOdelling poster with BUM of the CAREER Club beside it. that division has never been weaker than it is right now. You always here about Joe Louis and the BUm of the MOnth Club. Well Waldo has his whole Career full of Bums not to mention being KTFO by 2 of them.
I dont know if you realise this, but the current heavyweight division is pretty much the weakest in history. Put anyone of those guys in with any one of Wlad's opponents and they would KO every one of them.
Foreman didn't KO Schulz,, in fact he got lucky against Schulz Wlad destroyed him. Lewis won a close, tough fight against Mercer, Wlad destroyed him. Byrd beat Holyfield, Wlad destroyed him.
lets eliminate the giant elephant in the room and be real for once, if wlad was a black american he would be considered an atg and thats undeniable, these klits are subject to so much racism its unreal, these guys have made this heavyweight era look bad by being too good, i will say it again all time great heavyweight champion joe louis opponents were called the BUM OF THE MONTH CLUB, come on guys stop using the weak competition argument, the Klitshkos our just too goog for their own good, all they do is fight everybody, win, and win by ko what more can you ask of them to jump in a time machine and go back and fight ali
the Ray mercer that fought Waldo was 41 years and 6 years of wars between lewis fight with a Prime Mercer not even close Comparison
1) Foreman was 46 when he faced him, Wlad was 23. Prime Foreman KO1 2) Wlad was 26, Mercer was 41. Prime Mercer would very likely last the distance at least against Wlad. 3) Beating an old Holyfield doesnt mean ****. Holyfield beats both of them in his prime Wlads opponents would have been embarrassed by any one of the opponents (close to prime) the TS mentioned