Boxrec's lb 4 lb list

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  1. toughy82

    toughy82 Active Member Full Member

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    sucks!

    Lb 4 Lb
    1 Manny Pacquiao
    2 Bernard Hopkins
    3 Floyd Mayweather Jr
    4 Wladimir Klitschko
    5 Vitali Klitschko
    6 Chad Dawson
    7 Paul Williams
    8 Kelly Pavlik
    9 Juan Manuel Marquez
    10 Arthur Abraham
    11 Lucian Bute
    12 Chris John
    13 Juan Manuel Lopez
    14 Timothy Bradley
    15 Carl Froch
    16 Celestino Caballero
    17 Hozumi Hasegawa
    18 Felix Sturm
    19 Ricky Hatton
    20 Nate Campbell
    21 David Haye
    22 Andre Berto
    23 Devon Alexander
    24 Edwin Valero
    25 Robert Guerrero

    -BHOP over Floyd? not today
    -the Klit bros. 4 & 5 (best fighters lb 4 lb?)
    -Haye is 21 after domination of hi class?
    -Where is Shane Mosley?
    -Ricky Hatton???
    -Felix Sturm better than Haye, Valero, berto,Alexander
    -Where the **** are Valesquez and Raf Marquez?
    -Nate Campbell???
    -I like PW, but damn, #7..??

    ****ing joke:fire
     
  2. Maxime

    Maxime Sweet Science Full Member

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    It's just a list based on how many points the fighters have in their specific weight class.

    It doesn't mean anything.
     
  3. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    1-3 could be in any order......all three are deserved. Whens the last time hopkins lost that wasnt contraversial? Jones?
     
  4. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    I agree with the top 4.
     
  5. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    It's a computer point system.

    Geeze. Use your brain.
     
  6. mrtony80

    mrtony80 Likes thick chicks Full Member

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    Bernard Hopkins over Floyd Mayweather?
     
  7. billy boy balbo

    billy boy balbo New Member Full Member

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    i personally would switch number one and 3 around but other than that its pretty accurate
     
  8. David Fanning

    David Fanning Internet Tuff Guy Full Member

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    Mosley isn't on it because boxrec does not list non-active fighters on it. Non-active in boxrec world means: has not fought in over a year. That may explain a couple of other names you mentioned not being on the list. However, active or not, Ricky Hatton has no business on any pound for pound list today, Nate Campbell is too faded, and I believe you are overlooking Felix Sturm a bit. Boxrec's ratings are simply formulaic and based purely on merit and past performance. The formula they used to use was MUCH worse. I believe they tweaked it a bit and are at least on the same planet now.
     
  9. Edward

    Edward Active Member Full Member

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    It's an unfortunate fact that when you design a system to be free of bias (as boxrec system should be) you may also create something free of accuracy!

    Not worth getting worked up over mind
     
  10. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Boxrec's p4p list is always confusing.
     
  11. keure

    keure Active Member Full Member

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    only idiots think the calzaghe loss was contraversial, theres no contraversy in getting outlanded 3 to 1
     
  12. Edward

    Edward Active Member Full Member

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    No there isn't and there would be no controversy if that's what happened in this fight!

    Calzaghe outlanded Hopkins 232 - 127, that's less than 2 to 1. Punch stats don't tell the whole story and Joe wasn't nearly as dominant in that area as you suggest. Although according to the stats I saw, Joe outlanded him in every single round.

    Interestingly though, apparently Joe took until round 3 to land him first jab and bernard didn't land one until the second round!
     
  13. Fire1

    Fire1 Active Member Full Member

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    joe landed more punches than anyone else against hopkins and clearly won the last eight rounds (if not the last 10 rounds).. and you admit a 2 to 1 land ratio advantage for calzaghe and out throwing and landing hopkins in every round.. and you think the decision was controversial?
     
  14. randeris

    randeris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's computerized. Ofcourse it isn't accurate.
     
  15. Edward

    Edward Active Member Full Member

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    No i was fully confident that Joe did win, I'm a huge calzaghe fan just wondered where the 3 to 1 stat came from, I don't thing the win was contoversial just don't see why we need to make **** up to prove either way

    I'm happy with the decision, I don't agree with the judge who saw it the other way- Hopkins started well and stepped in with some beautiful straight rights but as you say faded and Joe took over.