How would 21st century training, nutrition 'n PEDs improved ATGs?

I appreciate the response but Id really like to see some literature on this that applies this kind of stuff to boxing.

I understand the advantages for other sports but am skeptical about how much of an advantage it actually gives fighters.
Being muscular is necessarily a plus in boxing...and it doesnt always mean you have good stamina or speed. A well defined body isnt always the indicator of a particularly fit or good fighter.

Looking at the footage and photographs of most elite old fighters I think its silly to suggest they didnt have relatively low levels of body fat...they were clearly in excellent shape. I can whack in a tape of a fight from the 50's fighting his 4-5th 15 rounder in a year and keep up a hellacious pace for 15 rounds...but watch a Cotto or De la Hoya fight where each guy can barely go 12 with months to prepare and not half the amount of wrestling or fouling that comes in the old timers bout.

 

Yes, but on the flipside, the testing was far less sophisticated in those days too. Banned substances could be masked easier.

He failed tests THREE TIMES as far as we know. Once, maybe even twice, you could argue carelessness.
Three times, and covered-up at the time, we're talking deliberate cheating.
OK, let's call it "twisted the rules". But the same can be said of Ben Johnson.

Ben Johnson could have been using more than winstrol, yet he passed tests at the world athletics championships in 1987 where he ran 9.84 and later admitted he'd been using winstrol.
Carl Lewis could have been using more than just stimulants, and he could have been using herbal substances to mask more potent drugs. As Johnson, and many other cases, confirm - passing tests does not mean you aint using.
And that's not even getting into the area of cover-ups.

Also, Lewis competed well in to the 1990s where better drugs and undectable drugs probably came to prominence.
We know he was a cheater.
We know he was busy calling out other cheaters while he himself had already failed (at least) three tests .
We know the USA athletics establishment covered failed tests, his included.

 

Firstly muscularity - muscle/tendon strength, the more you maximise muscle/tendon strength the stronger you will be. The better your strength to weight ratio the more explosive and faster you will be. Muscle mass must be functional and built for its ask in hand however. IE if boxers do bodybuilder workout, ignoring specific boxing straining and stamina work their muscle will not be functional.

But the right type of weight training does have a role in improving speed/explosivity and thats why sprinters and even long distance runners use them

As you said physical appearance does not make a great fighter, but from a physical appearances we can see modern fighters on average have lower bodyfat, if you dont have visable 6pack abbs its because there is a layer of fat over the abdominal muscles

Bodyfat has no advantage

Recovery is 1 of the most important aspects of improving as a sportsman and the right diet/supplements will improve recovery time

Now Im not saying everything modern is better and most boxers dont make the best use of sports science anyway, but when a boxer does it gives a clear advantage

 

I cannot see any difference is this regard between old-timers and modern fighters.

 

1./4. Yes masking is possible but not fool proof otherwise Johnson wouldnt have screwed his '88 test as he used masking agents too.

HOWEVER you cant use masking agents 24/7/365 with random drugs testing. You maybe can use anabolics with fast clearing times, but they usually give massive growth in muscle mass and ofcourse destroy the liver quick time

2. I'm unclear whether he tested positive for 3 substances at 1 time or 3 seperate occasions, it says he only tested at the '88 Olympic trials though, which is over a few days, so he'd only need to use once for it to be in his pee test, correct me if I'm wrong? I love ephedra myself, add it to my coffee regularly and it does give a boost prior to a workout, not going to metamorphasize anyone though

5. Lewis wa past prime after 91 though, he was actually at his prime from as early as 18yo where he was jumping near the world record with a 8.62m LJ. The man was a natural freak of a sprinter for his time, his body just has the biomechanics for it

For the record in his biography Lewis claimed around the time of Johnson setting his world record he was approached by a steroid guru who claimed he could get Lewis running in the 9.5s. He kept bitching about Johnson cheating and FloJo heatingaiming Evelyn Ashfordwas being cheated

 

Carl Lewis was a truly great athlete, that much I can be sure of.

I dont think he was a heavy user of anabolics-androgenics either, but I cannot be sure of what he used and what adavantages they might have given him. As I say, I think sport was simpler and better when no one really cared about that stuff. Athletes have been using stuff forever. The hysteria and scare-mongering and moral outrage is what damages the sport, not the actual use, IMO.

I think Ben Johnson got the raw end. And he knows it.

 

A lack of abdnominal definition, ie the 6pack, is because of fat over the abdominal muscles

Here we can see Willie Pep clearly has a layer of fat around his waste

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Compare this Marquez and Pacman

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Then compare to Benny Leonard and Barney Ross who are pretty soft in comparison with nothing like as lower bodyfat

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If done correctly, I'd say nearly any ATG that takes the proper modern regiment could end up physically perfect. Now, this is all highly theoretical. There can be many different outcomes...

Now, imagine in the fight fraternity some of the "stubborn" more superstitious kind of guys. My great-grandfather (a coal town tough guy) always told me, "the more you know, the sooner you'll die". In the lineage of my family (for the early generations 1800 to 1930) as soon as they saw a legal Doctor, said visiting member would then die within a week or so. Pure coincidence. The women have a history of stomach cancer and the men have heart disease (or a heart attack). All died at an "old age" for their time. Their lack of actual knowledge made them superstitious to what they could only deduce as a curse, hex, etc, etc.

As for other results? I can see guys like Marciano sticking with his old school routine almost like sticking to a sacred text. There are other guys I could see following a modern day regiment and having benefitted from it. Say Mackie Shilstone with Sugar Ray Robinson, that sounds incredible only if it would work. Then imagine another side of the competitive edge and see some men becoming hulks with steroids and growth hormones. It can only be as much as a benefit for those understanding enough to implement it properly.

 

I think it can add punch resistance, stamina, and strength when used correctly alongside training.

 

The look you get from the use of steroids really has no bearing. Were talking about the ability to take more punches, walk through more adversity, have more channeled anger, and the strength to punch harder and fight longer. These advantages can be achieved by using PED's.

 

That can work both ways PP...if you select the pictures that suit your argument.

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LOL at Toney, that fat ****