ONe guy i am starting to like, in a pound for pound sense is Rocky Marciano. I see everybody seems to have Charles in the top 10. Rocky was a better fighter than Charles and beat him twice. In reality there is little difference between the two, in natural fighting weights. Archie Moore is another borderline top 10. Rocky beat him also. Rocky dominated his own weight as well. He also fought and beat (admittedly an older version) a bigger all time great (again arguably top 10 or 20 lb for lb) in joe louis. In fact, despite his small dimensions it is very possible that he was the best fighter ever. Joe Walcott is another lb for lb great that Rocky beat comfortably. When you think about it, those 4 wins right there are more impressive than Haglers efforts against Leonard, Duran, Hearns and Antuofermo? In fact it is hard to see who would have beaten 4 higher rated lb for lb guys than this. Perhaps Tunney, who has Loughran, Dempsey, Greb and Gibbons? At this point in time, i certainly would struggle to think of any. I may change my opinion, but i am really starting to think that
My list, for what it's worth: 1. Armstrong 2. Robinson 3. Greb 4. Charles 5. Langford 6. Walker 7. B. Leonard 8. Louis 9. Ross 10. Ali or R. Leonard I've always rated the first seven pretty consistently that way; after that it gets kinda murky, and the fighters become much more interchangeable.
I just can't see how someone will full marks can be below someone who doesn't get full marks?!?!? A good mix, but IMO Jones should be nowhere above 30.:good
My top ten while I'm here- 1. Greb 2. Armstrong 3. Robinson 4. Charles 5. Langford 6. Duran 7. Pep 8. Leonard 9. Walker 10. Ali 11. Moore 12. Ross 12. Canzoneri 13. Louis and so on, and so on
I may as well post mine too. 1 Robinson 2 Greb 3 Armstrong 4 Langford 5 Moore 6 Charles 7 B. Leonard 8 Duran 9 Pep 10 Gans
IF Jones had retired after Ruiz i dont think to many people would complain about him being in the top 10. In fact some were comparing him to Robinson at one time. Although he was past it in his losses the Ko losses to Tarver and Johnson have hurt his legacy. He still makes my top 20 though.
Bob Fitzsimmons won titles from middleweight to heavyweight, very fast and powerful, H2H no problems either-should be in the top ten somewhere.
I don't think Marciano was a better fighter. At least he didn't prove it. But in a P4P sense he's somewhere in the same ballpark I think.
And why?? He was a 2 weight divsion champ, and was at one time ranked number 3 in the heavyweight ranks. Thats way more than what Jones Jr ever did. He gets lots of credit for his heavyweight run beating the big guys, until a certain German put him in his place.
Well, mine would look like this: 1. Langford, Greb, Armstrong, Robinson 2. Fitzsimmons, Charles 3. Walker, Duran 4. Leonard, Ross, Pep, 5. Ryan, Canzoneri, Moore
Different body types. He was numero uno in HIS weight tho & was arguably the best pure boxer & defensive boxer in history.