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Who has beaten more great fighters? Manny Pacquiao or Roberto Duran?

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I think I make good sense. If you dont think Hagler -Hearns- Leonard -Duran- Benitez are just flawed as Barrera and Morales then you havent seen much of them.

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Just the thought that people are comparing Manny to Duran is already an accomplishment in itself.

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kadyo said: ↑

Just the thought that people are comparing Manny to Duran is already an accomplishment in itself.
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well Manny has beaten more greats that is the point

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CassiusClayAli said: ↑

well Manny has beaten more greats that is the point
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Maybe but the thing is manny's career isn't over yet so it isn't tike to compare them yet. Maybe 5 to 10 years from now although as I said earlier, I have no problem about threads comparing Pacquiao to boxing greats.

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kadyo said: ↑

Maybe but the thing is manny's career isn't over yet so it isn't tike to compare them yet. Maybe 5 to 10 years from now although as I said earlier, I have no problem about threads comparing Pacquiao to boxing greats.
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manny can only improve on his greatness but roberto Duran is overrated a bit.

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Here's a passage from SI on Duran's training for the Benitez fight, in case anyone was interested.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1125209/3/index.htm

Returning to Panama in disgrace, he begged his manager, Carlos Eleta, for a second chance. "No," said Eleta. Then he relented. "In New Orleans, Duran had surrounded himself with bad people," Eleta explained. "I told him that if he wanted to fight again, first he must get rid of that entourage. It took nine months before the last one was gone. Then he came to me, and I said I would help him."

Duran began his comeback as a 154-pound junior middleweight by winning unspectacular decisions over Nino Gonzalez and Luigi Minchillo. Then he signed to fight Benitez for $500,000.

Duran had been known to train on rich food and fast nightlife. And, next to the Canal, Panama considered him its most important asset. Reports from New York, where he spent time last summer, said Duran had ballooned upwards of 180 pounds before the Gonzalez fight in August. In Panama, getting him into fighting shape for the Benitez bout became a national concern.

Secretly, Eleta and General Omar Torrijós Herrera, Panama's ruler, who has since died in a plane crash, set up training quarters for Duran on Coiba, a penal island 15 miles off the coast of Panama. About 350 people, including Panama's most vicious convicts, live there. For Duran, there would be no restaurants or theaters, no television or telephones. There are no cells on Coiba, but the waters surrounding the island are shark infested.

Duran had been led to believe he would train in Los Angeles, a city of delights that he knows well. Too well. One of his closest advisers, Luis Henriquez, established a training camp in L.A., and last Dec. 2 he returned to Panama to get Duran. On arrival, Henriquez was met by a detachment of national guardsmen.

They took Henriquez to Florencio Flores, their commandant. "Colonel Flores told me not to bother unpacking," Henriquez said. "He said they had a plane waiting to take me and Duran to Coiba. It turned out to be a masterstroke. All the prisoners know what hard times are, and it didn't bother them what Roberto had done in New Orleans. They did wonders building his morale. And, with no distractions, he became hard and mean once more."

If anyone has a reputation for training less than Duran, it is Benitez. But for the $1.4 million he would earn for his second defense of the title he won from Maurice Hope last May, Benitez was hard at work in Puerto Rico.

"When Benitez lost the welterweight title to Leonard in 1979," said Jimmy Jacobs, a co-manager of Benitez, "he trained three days, and I'm not sure about two of those."

Benitez said he had put in two full months of hard work this time. His father, Gregorio, who trains him, said it was one month. They have been known to disagree.

During that period there was a wave of celebrity kidnappings in Puerto Rico. One night the telephone rang in the Benitez house, and Gregorio answered.

"We have kidnapped Wilfred."

"Sí."

"We want a million dollars."

"Sí."

"Or we'll kill him."

"Kill him," Gregorio said, deciding it was a hoax.

A few days before his fight with Duran, the champion stretched out on a bed in his Las Vegas hotel suite. It was 6 p.m. and he had just finished a very hard workout, with eight rounds of sparring. Why the new regimen?

"Dedication and maturity," said Benitez, one of six men ever to hold championships in three divisions. "This is my last fight as a junior middleweight and it is very important. After this fight I want to become a middleweight and beat Marvin Hagler for my fourth title. For this I must be disciplined."

Two months ago Benitez weighed 172 pounds. Three weeks ago he was down to 165. As he spoke last week, after the workout, he weighed 155.

"I have trained right," he said. "I lost the weight by training instead of just not eating, but this weight is too hard to make anymore. But I feel strong because I have worked very hard. At this weight I, and not Duran, will have the hands of stone."

As Frank Parilla, one of Benitez' handlers, and his grandson, 9-year-old Juan Francisco Vasquez, were playing dominoes, one of Wilfred's favorite games, Gregorio was checking the suite for signs of voodoo. He had heard that the Panamanians thought that he was a witch and would use voodoo against him. He had posted extra guards and was constantly searching for suspicious powders or marks on the doors.

"Duran is a dirty fighter," Gregorio said. "Everybody knows he is a street fighter. He is a guy who comes in angry. All of Wilfred's fights have been clean. If you are going to fight with fouls, then let's call this kick boxing. That's the Japanese style [sic]; you hit with fist and with feet. Duran should be a kick boxer."

An onlooker mentioned that Wilfred was saying how hard he had worked.

Gregorio frowned. "I got nothing to say about that," he said, and then had something to say about that. "I think he could have trained better this time. This is going to be a furious fight. This is a fight for Latin America and the Americans are all eager to see my champion beat Duran. We have to beat him any way we can. Kicking if we have to. But Duran can't beat him. Wilfred is a young man with the age of 35 in the ring. He has 200 and some fights on his ribs. They can do 1,000 marvelous things to him, and with his experience he's too great for it to matter. He is a bible." By Gregorio's count, Wilfred had sparred 400 rounds and had run 200 miles preparing for Duran.
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Here's a passage from SI on Duran's training for the Benitez fight, in case anyone was interested.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1125209/3/index.htm
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Nice read to say the least.

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Duran as of now..if pac beats Mosely and Mayweather, my answer would be Pacquiao..

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Thread Stealer said: ↑

Here's a passage from SI on Duran's training for the Benitez fight, in case anyone was interested.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1125209/3/index.htm
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Great article about both of them. Benitez was great at 154. Too bad he didn't stay there instead of moving up in weight after the Hearns fight.

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CassiusClayAli said: ↑

he sure has, but Nallege will never admit that. If he wants to think Buchanan is as great as Barrera then no one will convince him otherwise and yet the facts show Buchanan was not an all time great.
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Buchanon is in the h.o.f, and Duran beat him in his prime...and Barrera was not in his prime when Pac beat him lol...

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CassiusClayAli said: ↑

Duran fans are ever dillusional when it comes to his fighting buddies. Because he fought Hearns Benitez Hagler and Leonard, that means they are automatically better than Manny and his contemporaries. That is unfair. The 80s guys are ok but no better than Barrera and Morales!!! Who Manny beat. Duran did not beat Hearns -Benitez -Hagler. those fights were marketed well and yeah hearns and hagler and leonard and duran and ever wilfredo benitez were well known and in the public eye more than Barrera and Morales but that doesnt make them greater. let me remind you that manny beat oscar easy and Oscar was the top pay per view fighter ever.
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No matter what PAc does lol....he will have done nothing in the ring close to what Duran has done lol... Yeah, Barrera, EM and JMM are notches below Hearns, Benitez, Sugar and Hagler... Just fighting those guys during and after his prime gave rise to Duran's stock as the heart of this man can never be questioned. Duran 'no mas'...check out PAc's second ko loss lol...

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CassiusClayAli said: ↑

this thread has lasted long. your facts are false. Duran only beat one real great, and even Ray was green.
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After you win your first world title, you are no longer green lol... I don't care how it looks...

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You just keeping owning yourself mate...keep on going, its great entertainment.
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I know, and he doesn't even know it lol... I keep the thread going to see what other dumb shite he's going to say lol... And his pal Jessy a.k.a Harrison lol...his @#!$!@ sidekick lol...they are comical...:rofl

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I wouldn't care if PAc or Duran beat no atg's. Not every fighter will face an atg in their prime. You have to be lucky to be able to do that. JMM, EM and MAB did not all face each other, and when they did, they were in and past their prime...

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CassiusClayAli said: ↑

well Manny has beaten more greats that is the point
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you won cassius :good

LOL at old timers and flhomos getting butthurt. they can't handle the truth that

pac is going up and even beating the resumes of the greats :rofl

duran got only green leonard. pac definitely beat greater fighters and pac has no problem moving up while duran got whooped :yep:good

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