How would 21st century training, nutrition 'n PEDs improved ATGs?

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I don't like the drugs but what other option is there?

Anyone who sets a record is almost defintiely on something the previous record holder wasn't on.

Drug testing is a bit of a joke...and is often used by the authorities to help them wave a sword over the sport and its competitors.

You have to be a little bit political in your analysis. Athletes only discuss PEs when they have something to gain. Protesting about their use really ought to make you think.

 

I think you've just highlighted the fact you don't exercise. Putting on 7lbs of muscle is very easy while training if you know what you're doing

I've presented logical arguments and all you can do is gloss over the main points and retort with is 'these guys are in great shape and are improving the previous generation therefore they must be doing something'

You have no logic to your argument. Are PEDs a problem in sports, ofcourse, does everyone do them, no

We can agree for the mot part we can never prove without a 100% is someone is clean

 

No as ripped as todays ighters are they and they'd be in better shape if they were around today.

Bottom line as with my initial ascertation, modern nutrition means lower bodyfat and higher muscularity is attainable

 

I agree that the fighters in the pictures WhataRock provided are not as ripped as the pictures you provided.

But I thoroughly disagree with your assertion.

One of the most ripped fighter photos on the thread in the one I showed of Freddie Welsh (I wish I could find a bigger version of that pic), but that's not proof of anything much either.
Getting "ripped to shreds", attaining that low level of body fat, is nothing new.

 

What means "better shape" to you PP?

I see fighter after fighter struggling with relatively low paced 12 round fights a handful of times a year with months to prepare compared to these soft looking old fighters fighter multiple, draining 15 round fights in a single year.

Plenty of exceptions either way but I cant see this generalization that you seem adamant exists...from the muscle heads I used to see come into my gym up to ripped, cut up top flight fighters Ive seen plenty of examples of "fitter looking" fighters struggling with the pace and physicality of boxing.

 

More attainable for more today though. Think about all the tools available today - fat burners, nitric oxide, quickly digestable protein supplements, knowledge of insulin balance, knowledge of protein loading and thats without any PEDs. All make it easier to burnfat and build muscle

 

Yes it does.

With better drugs and nutrition you can training longer and better. And that does improve your technique.

And there are countless testimonies of people that used drugs saying that it did help them mentality as well. It has to do with confidence.

 

I was concentrating on the issue of bodyfat but ofcourse it isnt the most important quality in boxing

Stamina is another issue, are there fighters who fade down the stretch, ofcourse, always have been fighters fading down the stretch. Is that necessarily because of bad stamina, not always sometimes setting a high intensity will mean the fighter is going to pay for it down the stretch

Hers an incorrect assumption on this forum that going 15-20 rounds means you have more stamina, its not true. It like saying an average marathon runner has more stamina than Bekele because Bekele doesnt compete in the marathon

Do many old timers have better stamina than a Manny Pacquaio? I dont think so

 

Let me stop you right there. No, they didn't fight with the same intensity as today's top fighters do. (I'm talking pre 70's fighters)

 

You are basing that on what?

 

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It is based on my sense of sight.

 

Lean smean. Who gives a **** about being ripped? Is this a bodybuilding or fitness contest?
Bottom line is,one of the modern guys with the most stamina,speed and ability not to get 'outmuscled' was good 'ole' joe calzaghe.
Its well documented that joe never touched weights,trained totally old school,and even when he went up to lt heavy just drained less rather than using supplements,peds and the like.
By PPs standard i dont think joe was 'ripped',yet he 'physically' was 100% better boxing wise than any of his weight training,suplement guzzling opponents like hopkins and jones...
And thats without getting into the majority of todays 'ripped' super stamina heavies!!!! Wheres the general evolution of ripped in the heavyweight division PP?!!!!!
****ing useless bias from some of the posters on here...

 

Im not making that assumption though...a lot of those fights were fought at a snail pace but a hell of a lot werent either..and guys had to do it far more often. But many of these so called soft looking fighters who lacked muscle definition are on film going hammer and tong for a full 15 rounds..then they go home have a rest and do it again in a months time.
And also anyone who has ever spent 2mins in a ring would understand the draining effect wrestling and jostling has on fighters, obviously that kind of stuff was more prevalent back in the day.
Thats also a pretty useless analogy ..again comparing boxing to other sports is really stretching because it has a lot of other factors involved in it. 9 more mins of taking punches to vital organs is a lot different to jogging a few more k's.
Having done both, long distance running and boxing (obviously at a novice level) they are not comparable.

Manny Pacquiao is a freak, almost no fighter has better stamina than he does today and very few would have in history...Im not talking about him but about the other elite fighters who clearly struggle to fight at even a moderate pace even when they have months to prepare.