A new perspective Tunney vs Ali, who wins?

ali stops or ko's tunney.ali doesn't take many punches either. if at all.mismatch

 

Ali was great in his prime but not nearly as superior as people seem to make him out to be.

I saw Henry Cooper landing hooks and jabs on him and getting inside on him in both their fights, and all Ali could do in that situation was clinch and complain. It's a myth that he could keep these shorter-armed fighters at arm's reach for whole fight. It's a myth that he can evade every blow. Or guaranteed to keep off the ropes the entire fight.

And Gene Tunney is miles better than Henry Cooper. And better than over-the-hill Zora Folley, better than George Chuvalo, Karl Mildenberger etc.

 

i saw cooper get multiple cuts and batterd by ali too.

 

Cooper was a notorious bleeder. And he wasn't a great fighter by any stretch.
Plenty of heavyweights beat him more convincingly than Ali did.

Thing is, funny how Cooper lands his jabs and gets past Ali's reach on several occasions, but apparently Gene Tunney wont lay a glove on Ali.

 

i don't think tunney would, no.

 

You think Henry Cooper was better than Tunney ?

 

Ali was stil a work in progress in the first Cooper fight ,he had no idea about infighting ,and just waited for the ref to break them, plus he underestimated Cooper and clowned around ,after the wake up kd, he got down to business and closed the show.
Cooper fought offensively against Ali ,do you think Tunney would ?

 

The second fight Cooper is landing hooks and jabs and getting inside. Maybe Ali was coasting a bit, but he look genuinely bothered at times.

Absolutely. But not in a one-dimensional sense. Tunney was versatile.
But, yes, I think Tunney would use a lot of offense and aggression, a lot of jabbing, hooking off the jab, and lots of hooks to the body and other body shots.
He wont be foolishly chasing Ali, he'll be boxing aggressively.

 

no.do you ??

 

No.

 

Patterson was injured, Moore was over 50 and Foster never beat any quality heavyweight ...Ali did not have his way with Doug Jones ...

Ali by close decision in a tricky fight ..

 

I actually thought Ali beat Jones quite heavily.

 

This is how I see it. Ali would have been too strong for Tunney. As well as the extra weight,he was also somewhat faster. With feet and hands.

 

I wonder whether Tunney would try to fight Ali more "fleet-footed" like Bugner, forcing Ali to be the aggressor, or if he would be the aggressor himself as he was against Tommy Gibbons.

Ali was impressed by Tunney's skills but he went onto say that in a fight between two smart boxers, the faster one wins, Ali being the faster of course.

Granted that it was against a middleweight in Harry Greb, but Tunney proved that he would not quit even while taking a beating with no hope of winning. Even if Ali takes the early lead, and gets the better of Tunney, I doubt Tunney would get discouraged. In a series, Tunney might be able to figure out some of the flaws of Ali and take advantage of them, becoming more competitive each time but I struggle to see him winning. Tunney was a more complete boxer but he would be physically outmatched.

Tunney himself did not rate the boxers of Ali's era:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=LbwqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=wWUEAAAAIBAJ&dq=tunney%20clay&pg=2044%2C1684841

He didn't think Ali was even as good as Willard:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...AAAAIBAJ&pg=3612,7438726&dq=tunney+clay&hl=en

Here he says that he'd force Ali into leading.

 

i'm sure ali would be terrified of the tunney era heavies