Are the k bros in top 15 heavyweights of all time

And who are these fighters of a level that will thrust Wlad from top 20 into the top 10?

 

Looking at it objectively no they are not.

But for arguments sake lets say they're equal.

How do you feel about the manner of Tysons victorys compared to Wlads?:think

 

I feel like i could watch Tysons fights over and over again and if i ever see Wlad vs Sultan again i might stick a pen in my eyeball.

 

Not even close.

Are you kidding?


Keith

 

Tyson and Holmes both had opposition that ate balls. They get a free pass because they have retired.

 

Go back to watching the old movies....your rating of them is just as laugable as how you rate fighters.....The K-Brothers are ham & eggers.

 

They are top 15, but they need that career defining win. Louis over Schmeling. Ali over Frazier, Foreman, Liston. Jack Johnson over Jeffries, Jeanette. Frazier over Ali. Foreman over Frazier. Marciano over Walcott. You get the picture. The fights people remember to this day. Wlad and Vitali has none of those.

 

This is partially true.

Jack Johnson over 1910 Jeffries? That would have been like Wlad Klitschko fighting Lennox Lewis in 2009 or right nowl

You could add Norton as Larry Holmes defining win. But who was Tyson's defining win? Who was Jack Dempsey's defining win, Firpo? Who was Jeffries defining win, Corbett? Who was Johnson's defining win, ancient Jeffries?

 

With respect to his skill level and physical attributes, I think Wlad approaches top 10 quality. However, his resume is lacking due in part to his competition and his failure to avenge losses to subpar opponents. Say what you will about Lennox, but the man avenged both of his defeats in sensational fashion.

 

I think there are many cases of slightly rose tinted spectacles here. While Tyson was clearly an incredible natural talent, and has an exciting style on his side, his resume is not great. The manner of the victories should have no influence on who is actually better. If Wlad could beat every boxer with the jab (which I don't think he could) then he would have to be considered the best, regardless of whether all his wins were boring UD12.

KOs are exciting to us as fans, but the aim of boxing is merely to win, it does not matter how when it comes to beating the opponent.

It is very hard to objectively compare resumes at the best of times, especially when they are from different eras with no common opponents, add to that one is a legendary boxer (for many reasons, not all good) who always brought excitement, and the other is a cautious fighter who really divides fans. How would a prime Wlad (which is right now, with his much more careful style) faired against Tyson's opposition during his prime? Probably would have won them all as well. Likewise, Tyson would have beaten all of Wlad's recent opponents - so comparison of their resumes like that is pointless.

Ask this question in 25 years time and we might get a better answer.

 

However you compare their resumes, Tyson was champ at 20 years of age, blitzed the division and H2H is one of the most devastating fighters ever who would have taken Wlad out in 3, tops.

So no, Wlad isn't touching Tyson.

Realistically, Vitali is outside the top 25, he has fought a very poor crop. Wlad is inside the top 20, but only just...and that isn't really going to change. He could claw a few places from unifying all the titles, but he will never crack the top 15.

 

I think the age that someone becomes champion can be a misleading way of looking at things, it matters much much less than people seem to think it does. Tyson just peaked extremely early, he was already on the slide by his mid-twenties (for whatever reason) by most peoples estimations. Wlad just peaked late, as is often the case with larger heavyweights. So I don't really think it matters, it's just a nice record to hold. Ali on the other hand, hadn't peaked when he won it, or at least he had a second peak with an adapted style later on - that to me is more impressive.

Head to head Tyson appears to be a terrible matchup for Wlad, but that cannot count against him too much in the bigger picture, since overall rankings should not be based on you performance against one fighter.