techniques that should be in, or out of mma.

Everything should be allowed except for eye gouging, low blows, biting and fish hooking. The one rule that really pisses me off is the no kicking an opponent on the ground. It just promotes bad technique - for example - Jon Jones sitting up in Vera's guard this past UFC Live. I was glad Vera kicked him in the face. Had it been legal he probably would have done it several more times.

 

Good call. I agree. I thought about this as soon as it happened. I knew it was wrong but I couldn't find myself agreeing with it.

 

there is nothing like a strong judo throw, or kimboplex haha, id love to see knees allowed to the head on the ground, it would make side control and north south a much more dominant position, and it would really force guys on the bottom or sprawling along the cage to do a lot more work, we would have alot less stalemates

 

Headbutts should be legal. They're not any "deadlier" than knees to the head. Speaking of, I think knees to the head on the ground should be legal, as they're not any more damaging than standing ones. Bringing these back would really change ground and pound and make side control a lot more of an offensive position. Kicks to the head of your opponent when he's in your guard should also be legal, as should soccer kicks. No stomps though. Also, all elbows should be legal.

Who said "not foot stomps"? Why the hell not? I've never seen a fight stopped by one and it seems like a smart things to do to annoy your opponent.

 

You should youtube some of Wanderlai's fights in japan. He stomped on many a poor Japanese fighter. Good stuff!

EDIT: Oh you mean as in stomping the foot - not brutally stomping a downed opponent. My bad.

 

Nun-Chuks and guns

 

why the fukk does the ref allow the downed fighter back to his feet whilst holding the standing guy away so he cant jump/strike him as hes rising?i just dont get it?in a recent amateur mma fight i stood up out of someones guard when i thought it was getting dull and i was struggling to pass.as he started to get up(on his knees)i jumped on his back and sunk in a choke.I dont see anything wrong with this...bit sneaky, but what the hell its a fight!really surprised at this if its a rule

 

I think that is usually, ideally, reserved for instances when the standing fighter makes it clear that he does not intend to fight the down fighter and will wait until the fighter stands up. I suppose creating that distance when the standing fighter calls for the fight to be up stops the fighter from throwing cheap blows against the downed guy, but if the fighter who is standing wants the fight standing and will allow the other fighter to rise, the referee is only saving time by doing that.

 

12-6 elbows aren't any more dangerous except in the rare to the point of the case that caused them to be illegal being the only case I can think of; when Varlens used them from a standing position straight onto the top of another standing opponent, putting a lot of pressure on the spine. That is the only case where they would be any more dangerous than any other elbow. It was a poorly written law; the danger has nothing to do with the motion of the elbow.

 

I know you don't mean anything by it, and I'm not trying to be annoying to you but....

I hate when people just call them judo throws; most of the time they are wrestling throws. The motion is just about the same, and if there is a difference the MMA fighter tends to use something closer to textbook wrestling technique than Judo. Also a lot more MMA fighters get their throwing/tossing/general takedown technique from a wrestling background or at least a wrestling coach.

If the guy doing it happens to have been a judoka or trains with judokas, then call it a judo throw, or even by it's proper judo name although that can be confusing to most people.

The clearest example in my mind at the moment is when GSP just basically cartwheeled Hughes in their 3rd fight. Everybody called it a "judo throw." In reality though it was a wrestling throw, he trains with the Canadian wrestling team, he doesn't train with any Judo team that I am aware of. I imagine his coaches and training partners would be a little pissed that they aren't getting the credit they deserve.

So yes it is a bit of a pedantic argument, as the body mechanics are pretty similar, but since they aren't wearing a GI, usually anyway, and are more often wrestlers than judokas, lets call them wrestling throws unless there is a reason to do otherwise.

 

What if we just call them "throws"? As long as these throws do not display any stylistic signature of cource.

 

soccer kicks and stomps and knees to grounded opponents heads need to be brought back

 

Pride rules were better... closer to real fighting.

You should be allowed to kick in the face & stamp on their heads when they are on the ground... guys like Shogun & Wanderlei have had their favourite moves taken away since coming to the UFC... Rua still seems to be doing OK but Silva is struggling to hold back every time someone hits the deck ... you can just tell that fkn animal is lining up a soccer kick until the red mist clears.

 

knees to the head, 12-6 elbows and head spiking should be legal

stomps and soccer kicks im ok either way